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Hi Weikeng,
I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No
objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin
developers.
Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for it on
[twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
[0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
[1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818
[2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28
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floppy disk guy
On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative.com>
wrote:
> I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be
> added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a
> lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years,
> CSFS isn't.
>
> With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to
> start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM
> by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential
> on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying
> on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
>
> Thanks,
> Weikeng
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Weikeng,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No objection=
s for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin developer=
s.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Co-author of APO, Chr=
istian Decker has also expressed his support for it on [twitter][1]. Even G=
reg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">[0]: <a href=3D"https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support"=
>https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support</a></div><div dir=3D"auto">[1=
]: <a href=3D"https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818">https://x.com=
/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818</a></div><div dir=3D"auto">[2]: <a href=
=3D"https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28">http=
s://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28</a></div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">/dev/fd0</div><div dir=3D"auto">f=
loppy disk guy</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Wei=
keng Chen <<a href=3D"mailto:weikeng.chen@l2iterative.com">weikeng.chen@=
l2iterative.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am=
writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be ad=
ded to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot=
of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS =
isn't.<div><br></div><div>With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also al=
lows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed =
that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely wi=
th a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also al=
lows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Weikeng</div>
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