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While we're on the subject of payment hubs / lightning network...
I'd love to see somebody write up a higher-level description of what the
user experience is like, what communication happens underneath, and what
new pieces of infrastructure need to get built to make it all work.
A use-case to start with:
A customer starts with eleven on-chain bitcoin. They want to pay for a nice
cup of tea. Walk me through what happens before/during/after the
transaction, assuming I have a lightning-enabled wallet on my iPhone and
the tea shop has a lightning-enabled cash register.
Assume neither the customer nor the tea shop are technically sophisticated
-- assume the customer is using an SPV wallet and the tea shop is using a
service similar to Bitpay.
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Gavin Andresen
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<div dir=3D"ltr">While we're on the subject of payment hubs / lightning=
network...<div><br></div><div>I'd love to see somebody write up a high=
er-level description of what the user experience is like, what communicatio=
n happens underneath, and what new pieces of infrastructure need to get bui=
lt to make it all work.</div><div><br></div><div>A use-case to start with:<=
/div><div><br></div><div>A customer starts with eleven on-chain bitcoin. Th=
ey want to pay for a nice cup of tea. Walk me through what happens before/d=
uring/after the transaction, assuming I have a =C2=A0lightning-enabled wall=
et on my iPhone and the tea shop has a lightning-enabled cash register.</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div>Assume neither the custome=
r nor the tea shop are technically sophisticated -- assume the customer is =
using an SPV wallet and the tea shop is using a service similar to Bitpay.<=
/div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">--<br>Gavin Andre=
sen<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><br></div>
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