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Your Excellency,

You don=E2=80=99t seem to understand how Bitcoin currently works. A signatur=
e is a mathematical /probabilistical proof that the person who signed (the o=
utput) is the same person who created the script (the input) that was paid t=
o (i.e. not fraud). You cannot see that he is that person, you can only do t=
he math - giving yourself a reasonable assurance that it is not a fraud.

Taproot is not a proposed change to this design, so I=E2=80=99m not sure to w=
hat exactly you are objecting. The math continues to be the sole assurance a=
nd visibility that the money was created and transferred in accordance with t=
he agreed rules (consensus). There is no other way for anyone to =E2=80=9Clo=
ok at=E2=80=9D potential fraud on the chain.

If you are aware of any flaw in the existing or proposed mathematics that wo=
uld enable fraudulent creation or transfer of bitcoin, please spell it out f=
or us.

e

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 21:10, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.co=
m.au> wrote:
>=20
> Good Afternoon,
>=20
> I will reply privately here, what do you say I am not in support of fungib=
ility? This fungibility is because of consensus including transparency. Othe=
rwise, if it is just a fraud no-one can look at it.
>=20
> KING JAMES HRMH
>=20
> Regards,
> The Australian
> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> Wills
>=20
> et al.
>=20
> =20
> Willtech
> www.willtech.com.au
> www.go-overt.com
> and other projects
> =20
> earn.com/willtech
> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
>=20
>=20
> m. 0487135719
> f. +61261470192
>=20
>=20
> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this ema=
il if misdelivered.
> From: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org> on behal=
f of Felipe Micaroni Lalli via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundatio=
n.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 3:30 AM
> To: eric@voskuil.org <eric@voskuil.org>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitc=
oin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK
> =20
> Dear LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH), a.k.a. "The Australian",
>=20
> This discussion list is serious stuff, please stop making noise. Fungibili=
ty is a desirable property, anyway.
>=20
> Thank you!
>=20
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:04 PM Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev=
@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > consensus requires the ledger to be honest does not prove that it is hon=
est.
>=20
> Actually, that=E2=80=99s exactly what it does. A logical/mathematical requ=
irement (necessity) is also called a proof.
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Your Excellency,</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">You don=E2=80=99t seem to understand=
 how Bitcoin currently works. A signature is a mathematical /probabilistical=
 proof that the person who signed (the output) is the same person who create=
d the script (the input) that was paid to (i.e. not fraud). You cannot see t=
hat he is that person, you can only do the math - giving yourself a reasonab=
le assurance that it is not a fraud.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Taproot is not a proposed change to this design, so I=E2=80=99m no=
t sure to what exactly you are objecting. The math continues to be the sole a=
ssurance and visibility that the money was created and transferred in accord=
ance with the agreed rules (consensus). There is no other way for anyone to =E2=
=80=9Clook at=E2=80=9D potential fraud on the chain.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If you are aware of any flaw in the existing or pr=
oposed mathematics that would enable fraudulent creation or transfer of bitc=
oin, please spell it out for us.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 3, 2021, a=
t 21:10, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH &lt;willtech@live.com.au&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,=
0,0)">Good Afternoon,</span>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
I will reply privately here, what do you say I am not in support of fungibil=
ity? This fungibility is because of consensus including transparency. Otherw=
ise, if it is just a fraud no-one can look at it.<br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>KING JAMES HRMH
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>The Australian</div>
<div>LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (&amp; HMRH)</div>
<div>of Hougun Manor &amp; Glencoe &amp; British Empire</div>
<div>MR. Damian A. James Williamson</div>
<div>Wills</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>et al.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Willtech</div>
<div><span>www.willtech.com.au</span></div>
<div><span>www.go-overt.com</span></div>
<div>and other projects</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span>earn.com/willtech</span></div>
<div><span>linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>m. <span>0487135719</span></div>
<div>f. <span>+61261470192</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt">This email does not constitute a general advi=
ce. Please disregard this email if misdelivered.</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D=
"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> bitcoin-dev &lt;<span>b=
itcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org</span>&gt; on behalf of Felipe M=
icaroni Lalli via bitcoin-dev &lt;<span>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.or=
g</span>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> <span>Thursday, 4 March 2021 3:30 AM</span><br>
<b>To:</b> <span>eric@voskuil.org</span> &lt;<span>eric@voskuil.org</span>&g=
t;; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion &lt;<span>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.=
org</span>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size:small; color:#000000">
Dear <span class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:small; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
</span>LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (&amp; HMRH), a.k.a. "<span class=3D"x=
_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:s=
mall; color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span>The Australian",</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size:small; color:#000000">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size:small; color:#000000">
This discussion list is serious stuff, please stop making noise. Fungibility=
 is a desirable property, anyway.
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size:small; color:#000000">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if; font-size:small; color:#000000">
Thank you!<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" __apple_fixed_attribute=3D"true"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:04 PM Eric Voskuil via bitco=
in-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-=
dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div></blockquote>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&gt; <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:black">co=
nsensus requires the ledger to be honest does not prove that it is honest.</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:black">Actuall=
y, that=E2=80=99s exactly what it does. A logical/mathematical requirement (=
necessity) is also called a proof.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:black">e</span=
></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></b=
ody></html>=

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