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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi,<div>This has been proposed before a=
nd isn=E2=80=99t bitcoin but some alt coin. Taking people=E2=80=99s bitcoin=
s after a certain period of time isn=E2=80=99t ethical. Not to mentio=
n it breaks some protocols such as proof of burn etc. If the past discussio=
ns are any guide it is (thankfully) a nonstarter. </div><div><br></div=
><div>Have a good one! =F0=9F=98=80</div><div><br></div><div><br id=3D"line=
BreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<div><br><=
/div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 15, 2025, =
at 2:26=E2=80=AFPM, 'Donald Dienst' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List &l=
t;bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFDear Bitcoin developers,<br><br=
>I would like to propose a new BIP titled "Proof-of-Activity Reclamation (P=
oAR)," which aims to address the long-term economic effects of lost and aba=
ndoned UTXOs.<br><br>This proposal introduces a fully automated and rule-ba=
sed mechanism to gradually recycle coins that have been provably inactive f=
or over 20 years. These coins are returned to the undistributed pool and sl=
owly reintroduced via future block rewards=E2=80=94extending miner incentiv=
es while respecting the 21 million BTC cap.<br><br>You can view the full pr=
oposal here:<br>https://gist.github.com/Brandchatz/56c39d289db9e56190c13922=
850815b8<br><br>I welcome your thoughts, suggestions, and critiques.<br><br=
>Best regards, <br>Donald Dienst <br>dddienst@protonmail.com
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