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On June 27, 2022 8:03:38 AM EDT, Greg Sanders <gsanders87@gmail=2Ecom> wro=
te:
>One key difference seems to be that properly punishing someone based on
>mempool behavior seems much more difficult=2E As we all know there is no =
"the
>mempool"=2E
No, that's not relevant here: the DoS condition is the existence of a (min=
ed) double spend for a given txout used in a coin join=2E That condition is=
entirely under the control of the wallet, and can be totally avoided by th=
e wallet regardless of mempool behavior=2E
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