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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST
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Good morning Andrew,

> I wouldn't fully discount general purpose hardware or hardware outside of=
 the realm of ASICS. BOINC (https://cds.cern.ch/record/800111/files/p1099.p=
df) implements a decent distributed computing protocol (granted it isn't a =
cryptocurrency), but it far computes data at a much cheaper cost compared t=
o the competition w/ decent levels of fault tolerance. I myself am running =
an extremely large scale open distributed computing pipeline, and can tell =
you for certain that what is out there is insane. In regards to the argumen=
t of generic HDDs and CPUs, the algorithmic implementation I am providing w=
ould likely make them more adaptable. More than likely, evidently there wou=
ld be specialized HDDs similar to BurstCoin Miners, and 128-core CPUs, and =
all that. This could be inevitable, but the main point is providing access =
to other forms of computation along w/ ASICs. At the very least, the generi=
c guys can experience it, and other infrastructures can have some form of c=
ompatibility.

What would the advantage of this be?

As I see it, changing the underlying algorithm is simply an attempt to reve=
rse history, by requiring a new strain of specialization to be started inst=
ead of continuing the trend of optimizing SHA256d very very well.

I think it may be better to push *through* rather than *back*, and instead =
spread the optimization of SHA256d-specific hardware so widely that anyone =
with 2 BTC liquidity in one location has no particular advantage over anyon=
e with 2 BTC liquidity in another location.
For one, I expect that there will be fewer patentable surprises remaining w=
ith SHA256d than any newer, much more complicated construction.

Regards,
ZmnSCPxj