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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop
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But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has made it an instant
uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits are a
dime a dozen.
Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabling the browser
plugin, but how many users will do that?
Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet - yes, of course.
Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on their computers by
installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a compiled binary
without a Java dependency, it is DOA.
On 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe <g.rowe@froot.co.uk> wrote:
> I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the website to make it
> more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It's a Java
> application serving HTML.
>
> It can be found here: https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website
>
>
> On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim <jim618@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yeah "email jim' was never going to work so I have
>> bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by:
>>
>> + having a dedicated Support page on the website
>> https://multibit.org/support.html
>> It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas.
>> + the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with
>> "Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas.
>> I've also written more help to cover as much as possible.
>> + Failing that people are directed first to bitcoin.stackchange.com
>> (I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword.
>> + Then finally users are directed to the github issues to search
>> existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on there to
>> close
>> issues down as well as me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
>> > Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it?
>> >
>> > I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie restrictions
>> > for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get support at
>> > the moment and "email jim" doesn't scale at all.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen <
>> gavinandresen@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I vote "yes" to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the recommended
>> > > desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it.
>> > >
>> > > If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back.
>> > >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has =
made it an instant uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java=
exploits are a dime a dozen.<div><br></div><div>Yes, you can reduce some o=
f the problems by manually disabling the browser plugin, but how many users=
will do that?<br>
<div><br></div><div style>Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet =
- yes, of course. Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on t=
heir computers by installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a =
compiled binary without a Java dependency, it is DOA.</div>
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:g.ro=
we@froot.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g.rowe@froot.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the we=
bsite to make it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It&=
#39;s a Java application serving HTML.<div><br></div><div>It can be found h=
ere:=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website</a></div>
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim <span dir=3D"lt=
r"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim618@fastmail.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">jim618@fa=
stmail.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yeah "email jim' was never going to work so I have<br>
bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by:<br>
<br>
+ having a dedicated Support page on the website<br>
=A0 =A0<a href=3D"https://multibit.org/support.html" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://multibit.org/support.html</a><br>
=A0 =A0It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas.<br>
+ the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with<br>
=A0 =A0"Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas.<br>
=A0 =A0I've also written more help to cover as much as possible.<br>
+ Failing that people are directed first to <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.stack=
change.com" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin.stackchange.com</a><br>
=A0 =A0(I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword.<br=
>
+ Then finally users are directed to the github issues to search<br>
=A0 =A0existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on there t=
o<br>
=A0 =A0close<br>
=A0 =A0issues down as well as me.<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:<br>
> Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it?<br>
><br>
> I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie restrictio=
ns<br>
> for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get support a=
t<br>
> the moment and "email jim" doesn't scale at all.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen <<a href=3D"mailto:=
gavinandresen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gavinandresen@gmail.com</a>><=
br>
> wrote:<br>
> > I vote "yes" to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the=
recommended<br>
> > desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it.<b=
r>
> ><br>
> > If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back.<br>
> ><br>
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