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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 07:08:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] CTV + CSFS: a letter
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> Unlike a generic "We Want Things" sign-on letter, individual messages
indicating desire to utilize features is way more compelling.

Then I submit my essay from 2 years ago (
https://blog.casa.io/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/) and will quote myself:

"There are clearly a LOT of use cases that could potentially be unlocked
with the right kind of covenant implementation. Personally, having spent 8
years working on high security multi-signature wallets, I'm most interested
in vaults. I believe the value they offer is quite straightforward and is
applicable to every single self-custody bitcoin user, regardless of what
type of wallet they are running."

- Jameson

On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 6:54=E2=80=AFPM Matt Corallo <lf-lists@mattcorallo.=
com>
wrote:

> To be fair to James, in my (luckily rather brief) experience with
> Bitcoin-consensus-letter-writing,
> its nearly impossible to forge a statement that everyone agrees to that i=
s
> consistently interpreted.
>
> Matt
>
> On 6/12/25 3:51 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote:
> > Le Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 02:38:13PM -0400, James O'Beirne a =C3=A9crit :
> >>
> >> As the person who coordinated the letter, I can say that this is not a=
n
> >> accurate characterization of the signers' intent. Everyone who signed
> >> explicitly wants to see the imminent review, integration, and activati=
on
> >> planning for CTV+CSFS specifically. The letter is intentionally concis=
e
> to
> >> make sure there are no misunderstandings about that.
> >>
> >> I spoke to each person on the original list of signatories who either
> did
> >> (or didn't) sign and this was made very clear. Some people didn't sign
> as a
> >> result of what the letter says.
> >>
> >
> > The letter asks Core to "prioritize the review and integration" on an
> > accelerated timeline, and that this will "allow" for "activation
> planning".
> >
> > Early drafts of the letter did ask for actual integration and even
> > activation, but I did not sign any of those early drafts. It was not
> > until the language was weakened to be about priorities and planning (an=
d
> > to be a "respectful ask" rather some sort of demand) that I signed on.
> >
> >
> > The letter is concise but unfortunately I think Matt is correct that it
> > offers a broad range of interpretations, even among the signers.
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Unlike a generic &quot;We Want Things&quot; sign-on l=
etter,=C2=A0individual messages indicating desire to utilize features is wa=
y more compelling.<div><br></div><div>Then I submit my essay from 2 years a=
go (<a href=3D"https://blog.casa.io/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/">https://b=
log.casa.io/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/</a>) and will quote myself:</div><=
div><br></div><div>&quot;There are clearly a LOT of use cases that could po=
tentially be unlocked with the right kind of covenant implementation. Perso=
nally, having spent 8 years working on high security multi-signature wallet=
s, I&#39;m most interested in vaults. I believe the value they offer is qui=
te straightforward and is applicable to every single self-custody bitcoin u=
ser, regardless of what type of wallet they are running.&quot;</div><div><b=
r></div><div>- Jameson</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote=
_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 6=
:54=E2=80=AFPM Matt Corallo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo.com"=
>lf-lists@mattcorallo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">To be fair to James, in my (luckily rather brief) =
experience with Bitcoin-consensus-letter-writing, <br>
its nearly impossible to forge a statement that everyone agrees to that is =
consistently interpreted.<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
On 6/12/25 3:51 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote:<br>
&gt; Le Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 02:38:13PM -0400, James O&#39;Beirne a =C3=A9c=
rit :<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; As the person who coordinated the letter, I can say that this is n=
ot an<br>
&gt;&gt; accurate characterization of the signers&#39; intent. Everyone who=
 signed<br>
&gt;&gt; explicitly wants to see the imminent review, integration, and acti=
vation<br>
&gt;&gt; planning for CTV+CSFS specifically. The letter is intentionally co=
ncise to<br>
&gt;&gt; make sure there are no misunderstandings about that.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I spoke to each person on the original list of signatories who eit=
her did<br>
&gt;&gt; (or didn&#39;t) sign and this was made very clear. Some people did=
n&#39;t sign as a<br>
&gt;&gt; result of what the letter says.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The letter asks Core to &quot;prioritize the review and integration&qu=
ot; on an<br>
&gt; accelerated timeline, and that this will &quot;allow&quot; for &quot;a=
ctivation planning&quot;.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Early drafts of the letter did ask for actual integration and even<br>
&gt; activation, but I did not sign any of those early drafts. It was not<b=
r>
&gt; until the language was weakened to be about priorities and planning (a=
nd<br>
&gt; to be a &quot;respectful ask&quot; rather some sort of demand) that I =
signed on.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The letter is concise but unfortunately I think Matt is correct that i=
t<br>
&gt; offers a broad range of interpretations, even among the signers.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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