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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Meta suggestions for this block size
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Nothing to apologize for. And yes, that's the correct one.
On Jun 6, 2015 2:39 AM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK... sorry for my confusion.
>
> https://github.com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate
>
> it is.
>
> p.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Please use the one it's originally forked from that Ethan made. I don't
>> want to be the one who sorts through what's valid and what isn't, as I
>> don't have as low-level an understanding as I'd like. I don't feel
>> qualified.
>> On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gabe.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/gappleto97/BlockSizeDebate
>>>
>>> github's reachable via vpn.
>>>
>>> p.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don't have to bother with the
>>>> exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It's linked in this email chain.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to start back up on
>>>> this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin so we can get
>>>> some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few leads to chase.
>>>> On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gabe,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever get an answer to this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help with some work on this
>>>>> and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm not sure I understand the
>>>>> nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of things (or not) etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have thought that there would be a testnet4 by now using 8mb
>>>>> blocks... but hey that's just me.
>>>>>
>>>>> p.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have permission to create a page. If someone else does, I'll
>>>>>> happily get a framework started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <eth3rs@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I second this, I don't have time to read the large number of emails
>>>>>>> generated every day from the block size debate. A summary of the various
>>>>>>> positions and arguments would be extremely helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way we
>>>>>>>> could condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing to
>>>>>>>> assist if the page gets approval.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson" <mats@henricson.se> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate
>>>>>>>>> drives me nuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will
>>>>>>>>>    take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other
>>>>>>>>>    smarter people have said over and over before, you're
>>>>>>>>>    wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is
>>>>>>>>>    just destructive. If you want no change, then say so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mats
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Nothing to apologize for. And yes, that&#39;s the correct on=
e. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2015 2:39 AM, &quot;Pindar Wong&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div>OK... sorry for my confusion.<br><br></div><a href=3D"https:/=
/github.com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate</a><br><br></div><div>it is.<br><br></div>=
p.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gappleto97@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Please =
use the one it&#39;s originally forked from that Ethan made. I don&#39;t wa=
nt to be the one who sorts through what&#39;s valid and what isn&#39;t, as =
I don&#39;t have as low-level an understanding as I&#39;d like. I don&#39;t=
 feel qualified. </p><div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, &quot;Pindar Wong&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pindar.wong@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks Gabe.<br><br><a href=3D"https://github.co=
m/gappleto97/BlockSizeDebate" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/gappleto=
97/BlockSizeDebate</a><br><br></div><div>github&#39;s reachable via vpn.<br=
><br></div>p.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gappleto97@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"lt=
r">Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don&#39;t have to bother with th=
e exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It&#39;s linked in this email chain. =
</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to st=
art back up on this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin=
 so we can get some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few l=
eads to chase.</p><div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, &quot;Pindar Wong&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pindar.wong=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Gabe,<br><br></div>Did you ever get an ans=
wer to this?<br><br>I&quot;ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help wi=
th some work on this and will need to do it myself anyways since I&#39;m no=
t sure I understand the nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of t=
hings (or not) etc.<br><br></div><div>I would have thought that there would=
 be a testnet4 by now using 8mb blocks... but hey that&#39;s just me. <br><=
br></div><div>p.<br><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gappleto97@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t have permission to create a page. If some=
one else does, I&#39;ll happily get a framework started.</div><div><div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 =
at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eth3rs@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">eth3rs@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I second this, I don&#39;t have =
time to read the large number of emails generated every day from the block =
size debate. A summary of the various positions and arguments would be extr=
emely helpful.=C2=A0</div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gapp=
leto97@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p=
 dir=3D"ltr">Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way w=
e could condense the information as much as possible. I&#39;ll be willing t=
o assist if the page gets approval. </p><div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, &quot;Mats Henricson&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mats@henricson.se" target=3D"_blank">mats@henricso=
n.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
Hi!<br>
<br>
My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate<br>
drives me nuts.<br>
<br>
I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:<br>
<br>
1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0take many hours. But if you&#39;re rehashing what other<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0smarter people have said over and over before, you&#39;re<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don&#39;t.<br>
<br>
2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0just destructive. If you want no change, then say so.<br>
<br>
Mats<br>
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