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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Thoughts on fee bumping
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> It's not that simple. As a miner, if i have less than 1vMB of
transactions in my mempool. I don't want a 10sats/vb transaction paying
100000sats by a 100sats/vb transaction paying only 10000sats.
I don't understand why the "<1vMB in the mempool" case is even worth
consideration because the miner will just include the entire mempool in the
next block regardless of feerate.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> It's not that simple. As a miner, if i have less =
than 1vMB of=20
transactions in my mempool. I don't want a 10sats/vb transaction paying=
=20
100000sats by a 100sats/vb transaction paying only 10000sats.<div><br></div=
><div>I don't understand why the "<1vMB in the mempool" ca=
se is even worth consideration because the miner will just include the enti=
re mempool in the next block regardless of feerate.<br></div></div>
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