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> Confusing or not, the reliance on multiple signatures as offering =
greater security than single relies on the independence of multiple =
secrets. If the secrets cannot be shown to retain independence in the =
envisioned threat scenario (e.g. a user's compromised operating system) =
then the benefit reduces to making the exploit more difficult to write, =
which, once written, reduces to no benefit. Yet the user still suffers =
the reduced utility arising from greater complexity, while being led to =
believe in a false promise.
Just trying to make sure I understand what you=E2=80=99re saying. Are =
you eluding to that if two of the three private keys get compromised =
there is no gain in security? Although the likelihood of this occurring =
is lower, it is possible.
As more malware targets bitcoins I think the utility is evident. Given =
how final Bitcoin transactions are, I think it=E2=80=99s worth trying to =
find methods to help verify those transactions (if a user deems it to be =
high-risk enough) before the transaction is completed. The balance is =
trying to devise something that users do not find too burdensome.
Brian Erdelyi=
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