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> I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.
I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/homepage into some
political agitation. Not everybody care about political attitude of main
project developers.
slush
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> You guys are representing both extremes of the issue. In response to Jeff
> and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is *just any other poltical issue*. It
> strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin is about. Barring
> Bitcoin-specific legislation, I don't see how any legislation could be more
> relevant to Bitcoin and the community around it.
>
> On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and shouldn't get in the
> business of making statements. A central voice for Bitcoin gives the
> impression that it is actually centralized, and one that has opinions.
> Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some, heavily-invested Bitcoin users were
> of the opinion that SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be a huge profit for
> themselves: once SOPA kicks in and businesses around the world start
> getting cut off for legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could
> potentially switch to Bitcoin to keep their business going. That could be
> a huge boon for Bitcoin. You may not agree it's worth the tradeoff, but
> people are selfish and may not actually understand or even care about SOPA
> legislation itself.
>
> I think it's *not inappropriate* for something to be mentioned on the
> website about Bitcoin's philosophy being threatened by SOPA, but I agree
> Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands. Users could be
> reminded that SOPA affects yet another thing they care about, but it might
> be better to avoid it altogether. If any response is made, it should be a
> very light one.
>
> -Alan
>
>
>
> On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>
> Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly.
>
> Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin ever does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or seen the genesis block quote.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action
>
> The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin should do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan and Wikipedia.
>
> It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another issue or case of moral alarm. Sad.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@exmulti.com> <jgarzik@exmulti.com>
> To: Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> <zgenjix@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> <zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> How is this not the most important world issue right now?
>
> EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage.
>
> Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. World, go scream at the US embassy.
>
> There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would
> rather that bitcoin.org stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate
> this in the long run.
>
>
>
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> =A0I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.=A0<d=
iv><br></div><div>I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/ho=
mepage into some political agitation. Not everybody care about political at=
titude of main project developers.</div>
<div><br></div><div>slush<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17,=
2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan Reiner <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:etoth=
eipi@gmail.com">etotheipi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<u></u>
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<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000">
You guys are representing both extremes of the issue.=A0 In response
to Jeff and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is <i>just any other
poltical issue</i>.=A0 It strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin
is about.=A0 Barring Bitcoin-specific legislation, I don't see how =
any
legislation could be more relevant to Bitcoin and the community
around it.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and shouldn't get
in the business of making statements.=A0 A central voice for Bitcoin
gives the impression that it is actually centralized, and one that
has opinions.=A0 Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some,
heavily-invested Bitcoin users were of the opinion that
SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be a huge profit for themselves:=A0 once SOPA
kicks in and businesses around the world start getting cut off for
legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could potentially
switch to Bitcoin to keep their business going.=A0 That could be a
huge boon for Bitcoin.=A0 You may not agree it's worth the tradeoff=
,
but people are selfish and may not actually understand or even care
about SOPA legislation itself.<br>
<br>
I think it's <i>not inappropriate</i> for something to be mentioned
on the website about Bitcoin's philosophy being threatened by SOPA,
but I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.=A0
Users could be reminded that SOPA affects yet another thing they
care about, but it might be better to avoid it altogether.=A0 If any
response is made, it should be a very light one.<span class=3D"HOEnZb">=
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-Alan</font></span><div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<pre>Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly.
Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin e=
ver does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or s=
een the genesis block quote.
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Act=
ion</a>
The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin shou=
ld do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan=
and Wikipedia.
It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another =
issue or case of moral alarm. Sad.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Garzik <a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@exmulti.com" target=3D"_blank">=
<jgarzik@exmulti.com></a>
To: Amir Taaki <a href=3D"mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank"><z=
genjix@yahoo.com></a>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"=
_blank">"bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net"</a> <a href=
=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank"><=
;bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net></a>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin.org</a> SOPA/PIPA blackout
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki <a href=3D"mailto:zgenjix@yahoo=
.com" target=3D"_blank"><zgenjix@yahoo.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<pre>How is this not the most important world issue right now?
EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage.
Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. Wo=
rld, go scream at the US embassy.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage.=A0 I w=
ould
rather that <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin.org</a=
> stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate
this in the long run.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
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