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I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It'd be a great place to
store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?

How about we split the difference and go with "privacy address"? As Peter
notes, that's what people actually like and want. The problem with stealth
is it's got strong connotations with American military hardware and perhaps
thieves sneaking around in the night:

   https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=stealth

But everyone loves privacy.


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Drak <drak@zikula.org> wrote:

> Peter I agree with you about  "reusable addresses", but aren't we also
> trying to get away from the word "address" entirely?  How about calling it
> a "payment key" or "reusable payment key" instead? using "stealth" is just
> asking for bad press imo.
>
>
> On 16 January 2014 21:28, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote:
>> > Might I propose "reusable address".
>> >
>> > I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and even more
>> > so encourages wallets to present options as 'one time use' vs
>> > 'reusable'.
>> >
>> > It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive
>> > adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted.
>>
>> I'm very against the name "reusable addresses" and strongly belive we
>> should stick with the name stealth addresses.
>>
>> You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets take standard
>> pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay one as many
>> times as I want and everything works just great. I also can enter the
>> address on blockchain.info's search box, and every transaction related
>> to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately.
>>
>> What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with "1" are reusable. B:
>> Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge.
>>
>> Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a "reusable"
>> address. My reaction is "Huh? Normal addresses are reusable, what's
>> special about this weird reusable address thing that my buddy Bob's
>> wallet software couldn't pay." I might even try to enter in a "reusable"
>> address in blockchain.info, which won't work, and I'll just figure
>> "must be some new unsupported thing" and move on with my life.
>>
>> On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have "stealth address"
>> support. I'm going to think "Huh, stealth? I guess that means privacy
>> right? I like privacy." If I try searching for a stealth address on
>> blockchain.info, when it doesn't work I might think twig on "Oh right!
>> It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the transactions are
>> hidden?" I might also think "Maybe this is like stealth/incognito mode
>> in my browser? So like, there's no history being kept for others to
>> see?" Regardless, I'm going to be thinking "well I hear scary stuff
>> about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like it's gonna
>> help, so I should learn more about that"
>>
>> Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne of very
>> fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public conciousness
>> already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad
>> associations is going to throw away the momentum of that good PR and
>> slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup and I
>> based on conversations there with people there, technical and
>> non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and almost everyone
>> seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good thing. That
>> just wouldn't have happened with a name that tried to hide what stealth
>> addresses were for, and by changing the name now we risk people not
>> making the connection when wallet software gets upgraded to support
>> them.
>>
>> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It&#39;d be =
a great place to store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?<div>=
<br></div><div>How about we split the difference and go with &quot;privacy =
address&quot;? As Peter notes, that&#39;s what people actually like and wan=
t. The problem with stealth is it&#39;s got strong connotations with Americ=
an military hardware and perhaps thieves sneaking around in the night:</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?t=
bm=3Disch&amp;q=3Dstealth">https://www.google.com/search?tbm=3Disch&amp;q=
=3Dstealth</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>But everyone loves privacy.</di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Drak <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drak@zikula.org" target=3D"_blank">dr=
ak@zikula.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Peter I agree with you about =C2=A0&quot;reusable addresse=
s&quot;, but aren&#39;t we also trying to get away from the word &quot;addr=
ess&quot; entirely? =C2=A0How about calling it a &quot;payment key&quot; or=
 &quot;reusable payment key&quot; instead? using &quot;stealth&quot; is jus=
t asking for bad press imo.<br>



<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div cla=
ss=3D"h5">On 16 January 2014 21:28, Peter Todd <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:pete@petertodd.org" target=3D"_blank">pete@petertodd.org</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">


<div>On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 04:05:27PM -0800, Jeremy Spilman wrote:<br>
&gt; Might I propose &quot;reusable address&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think that describes it best to any non-programmer, and even more<br=
>
&gt; so encourages wallets to present options as &#39;one time use&#39; vs<=
br>
&gt; &#39;reusable&#39;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It definitely packs a marketing punch which could help drive<br>
&gt; adoption. The feature is only useful if/when broadly adopted.<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;m very against the name &quot;reusable addresses&quot; and stro=
ngly belive we<br>
should stick with the name stealth addresses.<br>
<br>
You gotta look at it from the perspective of a user; lets take standard<br>
pay-to-pubkey-hash addresses: I can tell my wallet to pay one as many<br>
times as I want and everything works just great. I also can enter the<br>
address on <a href=3D"http://blockchain.info" target=3D"_blank">blockchain.=
info</a>&#39;s search box, and every transaction related<br>
to the address, and the balance of it, pops up immediately.<br>
<br>
What is that telling me? A: Addresses starting with &quot;1&quot; are reusa=
ble. B:<br>
Transactions associated with them appear to be public knowledge.<br>
<br>
Now I upgrade my wallet software and it says I now have a &quot;reusable&qu=
ot;<br>
address. My reaction is &quot;Huh? Normal addresses are reusable, what&#39;=
s<br>
special about this weird reusable address thing that my buddy Bob&#39;s<br>
wallet software couldn&#39;t pay.&quot; I might even try to enter in a &quo=
t;reusable&quot;<br>
address in <a href=3D"http://blockchain.info" target=3D"_blank">blockchain.=
info</a>, which won&#39;t work, and I&#39;ll just figure<br>
&quot;must be some new unsupported thing&quot; and move on with my life.<br=
>
<br>
On the other hand, suppose my wallet says I now have &quot;stealth address&=
quot;<br>
support. I&#39;m going to think &quot;Huh, stealth? I guess that means priv=
acy<br>
right? I like privacy.&quot; If I try searching for a stealth address on<br=
>
<a href=3D"http://blockchain.info" target=3D"_blank">blockchain.info</a>, w=
hen it doesn&#39;t work I might think twig on &quot;Oh right!<br>
It said stealth addresses are private, so maybe the transactions are<br>
hidden?&quot; I might also think &quot;Maybe this is like stealth/incognito=
 mode<br>
in my browser? So like, there&#39;s no history being kept for others to<br>
see?&quot; Regardless, I&#39;m going to be thinking &quot;well I hear scary=
 stuff<br>
about Bitcoin privacy, and this stealth thing sounds like it&#39;s gonna<br=
>
help, so I should learn more about that&quot;<br>
<br>
Finally keep in mind that stealth addresses have had a tonne of very<br>
fast, and very wide reaching PR. The name is in the public conciousness<br>
already, and trying to change it now just because of vague bad<br>
associations is going to throw away the momentum of that good PR and<br>
slow down adoption. Last night I was at the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup and I<br=
>
based on conversations there with people there, technical and<br>
non-technical, almost everyone had heard about them and almost everyone<br>
seemed to understand the basic idea of why they were a good thing. That<br>
just wouldn&#39;t have happened with a name that tried to hide what stealth=
<br>
addresses were for, and by changing the name now we risk people not<br>
making the connection when wallet software gets upgraded to support<br>
them.<br>
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