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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
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> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
majority.

I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having too
many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people just
commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up doing as
much because they expect others to do the it. This does not only make the
process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the job, given
their time commitment ends up being too far from their expectations.

I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and gives
us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need to add
more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off).

I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. I'd personally
vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the spac=
e

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail.com> wrote:

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> Jon Atack
> Roasbeef
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> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so persona=
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> preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority.
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> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>
> I'd like to return to that.
>
> - - NVK (temp gmail account)
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> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding wro=
te:
>
>> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>> > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I like Bob!".
>>
>> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to be
>> the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
>> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>>
>> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
>> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>> Black[11],
>> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
>>
>> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
>> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>> Carvalho[16]
>>
>> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>> /dev/fd0[5][7],
>> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16]
>>
>> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[3], John
>> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>>
>> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
>> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12],
>> Ava Chow[14]
>>
>> - Michael Folkson*
>>
>> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "non-dev
>> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and Antoine
>> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>>
>> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>> candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as:
>> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>>
>> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>>
>> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have a
>> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are far-along
>> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments). I
>> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it demonstrates
>> familiarity with the process.
>>
>> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
>> multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
>> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justification
>> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
>> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
>> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
>> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
>> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd ask him
>> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already doing,
>> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on t=
his task, so personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the=
 group majority.<div><br></div><div>I disagree=C2=A0with that, the more doe=
sn&#39;t really=C2=A0the better here. Having too many editors=C2=A0may resu=
lt in a tragedy=C2=A0of the commons, in which people just commit to the job=
 because=C2=A0many others do, and they do not end up doing=C2=A0as much bec=
ause they expect others to do the it. This=C2=A0does not only make the proc=
ess look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the job, given thei=
r=C2=A0time commitment ends up being too far from their expectations.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I think being more moderate with the amount of people i=
s better, and gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive=
=C2=A0and we need to add more people (plus discourage=C2=A0people from join=
ing and slacking off).</div><div><br></div><div>I think 3 more people shoul=
d be a good number to start from. I&#39;d=C2=A0personally vouch for Murch, =
Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the space</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Ap=
r 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com">r=
dlfnvk@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA256<br>=
<br>+1 for<br>Kanzure<br>RubenSomsen<br>Seccour<br>Jon Atack<br>Roasbeef<br=
><br>I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so pers=
onal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority.<=
br><br>BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.<b=
r><br>I&#39;d like to return to that.<br><br>- - NVK (temp gmail account)<b=
r>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br><br>iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEmKAukUZni40sZANzHN2t=
oLREzdoFAmYMFPwACgkQHN2toLRE<br>zdqjqQgAsCLjBbVF505RJvIo2ZZqjWDjc0kn3pCs2+d=
9BHJNbd104CHUlb/TlbGL<br>+P1yTDTP9IJoDH833SaLlohtVFBUQbWZmBSav/rSi/4ricXg8X=
XXDoYb+wPgcdSo<br>243qh43kjMzL6gU6f4aslCS1fHVL/LDUHiRdarLekKfPsWWEE1BR+qdk+=
WUJiEkU<br>09pcZsGG+6osVDP3/oTCkkMH9/vzY+l8zwy8I3rtMByjlhk90t37YUi1dn5vrvhF=
<br>cSFkys+Um15Wnngb8W1yi4i/gfFYvHapn7KA1WaoeivbMtiJVL8XVWQiWf3Uzy+s<br>w3T=
l+sQ3S69fIajI9StfO60Qe5dSJQ=3D=3D<br>=3Dw5DC<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=
<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2024-0=
3-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
<br>&gt; Please provide justification rather than simply saying &quot;I lik=
e Bob!&quot;.
<br>
<br>Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to be
<br>the candidate list along with the current support.  Asterisks denote
<br>candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
<br>
<br>- Bryan &quot;Kanzure&quot; Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris S=
tewart[3],
<br>   Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon=20
<br>Black[11],
<br>   Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
<br>
<br>- Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
<br>   Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
<br>   Carvalho[16]
<br>
<br>- Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],=20
<br>/dev/fd0[5][7],
<br>   Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16=
]
<br>
<br>- Olaoluwa &quot;Roasbeef&quot; Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart=
[3], John
<br>   C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
<br>   Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
<br>
<br>- Mark &quot;Murch&quot; Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], K=
eagan
<br>   McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12=
],
<br>   Ava Chow[14]
<br>
<br>- Michael Folkson*
<br>
<br>Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for &quot;non-d=
ev
<br>triaging&quot;, Tonoski proposed himself[18] for &quot;BIP editor&quot;=
, and Antoine
<br>Riard[12] proposed Seccour for &quot;decentralized PM&quot;.
<br>
<br>I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
<br>candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as:
<br>total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
<br>
<br>- 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
<br>- 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
<br>- 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
<br>- 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
<br>- 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
<br>- 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
<br>
<br>I&#39;ll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have=
 a
<br>merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are far-alon=
g
<br>draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments).  =
I
<br>don&#39;t think this should be a requirement, but I do think it demonst=
rates
<br>familiarity with the process.
<br>
<br>Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
<br>multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
<br>qualified for the role, so I&#39;ll only provide a detailed justificati=
on
<br>for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
<br>longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
<br>mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
<br>BIP.  In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
<br>pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
<br>drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
<br>significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
<br>documentation.  To me, that seems very similar to the work we&#39;d ask=
 him
<br>to perform as a BIPs editor and it&#39;s something that he&#39;s alread=
y doing,
<br>so I think there&#39;s an excellent fit of person to role.
<br>
<br>-Dave
<br>
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