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...or should we be directing people to a (vetted) list of cloud services -
I think this has a significantly lower entry cost than any client. I know
the mybitcoin debacle has clouded (pun intended) people's views of these
providers, but blockchain.info (for example) really does seem quite well
engineered, and satisfies many of the features in particular a very low
cost of entry, cross platform support and what appears to be very good
security (e.g. two factor)

Will

On 4 December 2012 17:46, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> At the moment if you visit bitcoin.org then you're recommended to
> download the full client. I think we all agree that at some point we
> need to start presenting users with something more like this:
>
>
> To get started, download wallet apps A or B.
>
> If you'd like to contribute your computing resources to the Bitcoin
> network and have a fast computer with an unfiltered internet
> connection, download:
>
>    - for desktop machines, Bitcoin-Qt
>    - for servers, bitcoind
>
>
>
> Obviously not that exact wording.
>
> I personally feel it's a bit early for this, but it's true that users
> are being turned away by the fact that they're pointed to Bitcoin-Qt
> by default, so having some kind of roadmap or plan for changing that
> would be good.
>
> I think MultiBit is maturing into a client that I'd feel comfortable
> recommending to end users who take the fast-start path, though it
> still has a few serious lacks (encrypted wallets aren't released yet,
> bloom filters will help performance a lot, needs to catch up with some
> newer features). But there doesn't have to be a one true client.
>
> The alternative, I guess, is to make Bitcoin-Qt have an SPV mode. I'm
> not convinced this is the best use of time, but if somebody steps up
> to do it, that could also work. MultiBit has some unique features that
> are quite useful like integrating charting and exchange rate feeds.
>
> What does everyone think on this?
>
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...or should we be directing people to a (vetted) list of cloud services - =
I think this has a significantly lower entry cost than any client. I know t=
he mybitcoin debacle has clouded (pun intended) people&#39;s views of these=
 providers, but <a href=3D"http://blockchain.info">blockchain.info</a> (for=
 example) really does seem quite well engineered, and satisfies many of the=
 features in particular a very low cost of entry, cross platform support an=
d what appears to be very good security (e.g. two factor)<br>

<div><div><br></div><div>Will<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 4 Decemb=
er 2012 17:46, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike@plan=
99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

At the moment if you visit <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>bitcoin.org</a> then you&#39;re recommended to<br>
download the full client. I think we all agree that at some point we<br>
need to start presenting users with something more like this:<br>
<br>
<br>
To get started, download wallet apps A or B.<br>
<br>
If you&#39;d like to contribute your computing resources to the Bitcoin<br>
network and have a fast computer with an unfiltered internet<br>
connection, download:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0- for desktop machines, Bitcoin-Qt<br>
=A0 =A0- for servers, bitcoind<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Obviously not that exact wording.<br>
<br>
I personally feel it&#39;s a bit early for this, but it&#39;s true that use=
rs<br>
are being turned away by the fact that they&#39;re pointed to Bitcoin-Qt<br=
>
by default, so having some kind of roadmap or plan for changing that<br>
would be good.<br>
<br>
I think MultiBit is maturing into a client that I&#39;d feel comfortable<br=
>
recommending to end users who take the fast-start path, though it<br>
still has a few serious lacks (encrypted wallets aren&#39;t released yet,<b=
r>
bloom filters will help performance a lot, needs to catch up with some<br>
newer features). But there doesn&#39;t have to be a one true client.<br>
<br>
The alternative, I guess, is to make Bitcoin-Qt have an SPV mode. I&#39;m<b=
r>
not convinced this is the best use of time, but if somebody steps up<br>
to do it, that could also work. MultiBit has some unique features that<br>
are quite useful like integrating charting and exchange rate feeds.<br>
<br>
What does everyone think on this?<br>
<br>
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