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Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 16:33:25 -0300
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Relax OP_RETURN standardness restrictions
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On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 2:20=E2=80=AFAM Chris Guida <chrisguida@gmail.com> w=
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> >Fees are under 3sat/vb; there's no attack. Excess block space is being
> filled by low-value spam, but that's expected and, in a permissionless
> system, unavoidable.
>
> This is just a temporary cease-fire while the spammers reload their ammun=
ition. There is obviously about to be another wave, otherwise what is the p=
oint of eliminating OP_RETURN restrictions?
If they use OP_RETURN instead of putting data into the witness, they
will exhaust their funds four times faster and store four times less
data on the blockchain. Maybe the removal of OP_RETURN constraints in
policy is a Trojan horse against spammers?
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