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Good morning fd0,
> > In addition, covenant mechanisms that require large witness data are pr=
obably more vulnerable to MEV.
>
>
> Which covenant mechanisms require large witness data?
`OP_CSFS` + `OP_CAT`, which requires that you copy parts of the transaction=
into the witness data if you want to use it for covenants.
And the script itself is in the witness data, and AFAIK `OP_CSFS` needs lar=
ge scripts if used for covenants.
Arguably though `OP_CSFS` is not designed for covenants, it just *happens t=
o enable* covenants when you throw enough data at it.
If we are going to tolerate recursive covenants, we might want an opcode th=
at explicitly supports recursion, instead of one that happens to enable rec=
ursive covenants, because the latter is likely to require more data to be p=
ushed on the witness stack.
E.g. instead of the user having to quine the script (i.e. the script is rea=
lly written twice, so it ends up doubling the witness size of the SCRIPT pa=
rt), make an explicitly quining opcode.
Basically, Do not Repeat Yourself.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj
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