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I would like to personally raise caution against Kanzure. I'm sure he's mor=
e than capable if so many people believe so but just want to highlight that=
 based on his own public twitter thread, he claimed that he has better thin=
gs to do. Unless he comes forward and doesn't hold that position anymore, I=
 would think it might not end up being very fruitful if people chose him he=
re based on the votes based on some assumptions.

https://x.com/kanzure/status/1766888650069967053


On Tuesday, April 16th, 2024 at 1:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development=
 Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>=20
>=20
> While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at
> once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the
> nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
> objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections
> to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share
> their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed
> by many others.
>=20
> Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current
> counts are:
> * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
> * Murch - 13 for
> * Jonatack - 13 for
> * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
> * Roasbeef - 9 for
> * Michael Folkson - none
>=20
> However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and
> require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process
> be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
> achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of
> these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who
> have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list
> seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really
> wants to deal with.
>=20
> I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted
> on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out
> to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and
> Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
> confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
> received a response from Roasbeef.
>=20
> Ava
>=20
> On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>=20
> > > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> > > personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
> > > majority.
> >=20
> > I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having
> > too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which peopl=
e
> > just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up
> > doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not
> > only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up
> > doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from
> > their expectations.
> >=20
> > I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and
> > gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we nee=
d
> > to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking of=
f).
> >=20
> > I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
> > I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track
> > record in the space
> >=20
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail.com
> > mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >=20
> > +1 for
> > Kanzure
> > RubenSomsen
> > Seccour
> > Jon Atack
> > Roasbeef
> >=20
> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> > personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
> > majority.
> >=20
> > BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
> >=20
> > I'd like to return to that.
> >=20
> > - NVK (temp gmail account)
> >=20
> > On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding w=
rote:
> >=20
> > On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> > > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I
> > like Bob!".
> >=20
> > Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears
> > to be
> > the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
> > candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
> >=20
> > - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
> > Stewart[3],
> > Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
> > Black[11],
> > Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> > Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
> > Michael
> > Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> > Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
> > /dev/fd0[5][7],
> > Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
> > Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
> > Stewart[3], John
> > C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
> > Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
> >=20
> > - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
> > McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
> > Riard[12],
> > Ava Chow[14]
> >=20
> > - Michael Folkson*
> >=20
> > Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
> > "non-dev
> > triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and
> > Antoine
> > Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
> >=20
> > I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
> > candidates had been especially active there, which is listed
> > below as:
> > total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
> >=20
> > - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
> > - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
> > - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
> > - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
> > - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
> > - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
> >=20
> > I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to
> > have a
> > merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
> > far-along
> > draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
> > Payments). I
> > don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
> > demonstrates
> > familiarity with the process.
> >=20
> > Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
> > multiple recommendations from other community participants are
> > fully
> > qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
> > justification
> > for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
> > longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
> > mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a
> > draft
> > BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of
> > all 300
> > pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
> > reviewed
> > drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
> > significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
> > documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd
> > ask him
> > to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already
> > doing,
> > so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
> >=20
> > -Dave
> >=20
> > [1]
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oglegroups.com/
> > [7]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@googlegroups.com=
/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d346efbea1n@go=
oglegroups.com/
> > [8]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEaz=
RA5...@mail.gmail.com/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS1=
10ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/
> > [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.org/
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/
> > [10]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattcorallo.com/=
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corallo.com/
> > [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/
> > [12]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...@mail.gmai=
l.com/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+EKMCP5oEbHS=
KSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/
> > [13]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.one/ https=
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> > [14]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow101.com/ ht=
tps://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f-866d-c555b80b0644@achow10=
1.com/
> > [15]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsui=
zh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@pr=
otonmail.com/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5W=
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xojo=3D@protonmail.com/
> > [16]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@googlegroups.com=
/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552-88ca-11b9ed340661n@go=
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> > [17]
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9=
Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbU=
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