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Glad to see that there are more and more people wanting to replace
passwords with digital signatures.

Although such method has been already used on other websites like Eligius
or bitcoin-otc, I dont think theres any standard way to doing so yet.

Two comments to your proposal:

A) message-to-be-signed need to be carefully composed to be both structured
and human readable. It should contain at least:
Desired username/identity handler
Server identifier (url)
Timestamp to prevent replay attack
Server challenge

Then the user can see what he's signing, instead of signing some binary
blob which can contain some evil data.

B)
Same structured data should be a part of html page in some header tag,
ideally signed by server certificate to confirm that the request is valid.
Then the login request can be processed by machine automatically, without a
need of copy&paste by a user.

Slush


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:01 AM, <bitcoingrant@gmx.com> wrote:

> Passwords are inefficient by design: frequently we hear news from Sony,
> Square Enix, Adobe, and various others about passwords being compromised,
> databases being copied and stolen. This story remains true in the Bitcoin
> space. In light of the recent Bitcointalk forum breach echoes an increasing
> need for passwords to become a thing of the past.
>
>
>
> In celebration of the 5 year anniversary of the Bitcoin whitepaper, we are
> delighted to introduce the Message Signing based authentication method.
>
>
>
> In brief, the authentication work as follows:
>
>
>
> Server provides a token for the client to sign.
>
> client passes the signed message and the bitcoin address back to the
> server.
>
> server validates the message and honors the alias (optional) and bitcoin
> address as identification.
>
>
>
> http://forums.bitcoingrant.org/
>
>
>
> Above is a proof of concept forum that utilize this authentication method.
> Following Kerckhoffs's principle, this forum only stores the signed message
> and bitcoin address the users provide the first time they use the site,
> both are public information. In addition, there is no database, everything
> is simply an RSS feed. For the sake of usability we have included a redis
> for the sessions, at the cost of additional exposure to potential risks:
> users no longer need to sign a token every time they wish to post.
>
>
>
> All source code will be available on github in the next few days.
>
>
>
> We welcome any feedback or suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.7272=
72033691406px">Glad to see that there are more and more people wanting to r=
eplace passwords with digital signatures.<br></p><p style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">

Although such method has been already used on other websites like Eligius o=
r bitcoin-otc, I dont think theres any standard way to doing so yet.</p><p =
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Two c=
omments to your proposal:</p>

<p style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">A)=
 message-to-be-signed need to be carefully composed to be both structured a=
nd human readable. It should contain at least:<br>Desired username/identity=
 handler<br>

Server identifier (url)<br>Timestamp to prevent replay attack<br>Server cha=
llenge</p><p style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.72727203369=
1406px">Then the user can see what he&#39;s signing, instead of signing som=
e binary blob which can contain some evil data.</p>

<p style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">B)=
<br>Same structured data should be a part of html page in some header tag, =
ideally signed by server certificate to confirm that the request is valid. =
Then the login request can be processed by machine automatically, without a=
 need of copy&amp;paste by a user.</p>

<p style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Sl=
ush<br></p></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:01 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:bitcoingrant@gmx.com" target=3D"_blank">bitcoingrant@gmx.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12px"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:=
0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">

<span style=3D"vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:norma=
l;font-size:12px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-dec=
oration:none;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:normal">Passwords are ineffici=
ent by design: frequently we hear news from Sony, Square Enix, Adobe, and v=
arious others about passwords being compromised, databases being copied and=
 stolen. This story remains true in the Bitcoin space. In light of the rece=
nt Bitcointalk forum breach echoes an increasing need for passwords to beco=
me a thing of the past.</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">In celebration of the 5 year anniversary of the Bitcoi=
n whitepaper, we are delighted to introduce the Message Signing based authe=
ntication method.</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">In brief, the authentication work as follows:</span></=
p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">Server provides a token for the client to sign.</span>=
</p>

<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">=
<span style=3D"vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:norma=
l;font-size:12px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-dec=
oration:none;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:normal">client passes the sign=
ed message and the bitcoin address back to the server.</span></p>

<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">=
<span style=3D"vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:norma=
l;font-size:12px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-dec=
oration:none;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:normal">server validates the m=
essage and honors the alias (optional) and bitcoin address as identificatio=
n.</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal"><a href=3D"http://forums.bitcoingrant.org/" target=3D"=
_blank">http://forums.bitcoingrant.org/</a></span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">Above is a proof of concept forum that utilize this au=
thentication method. Following Kerckhoffs&#39;s principle, this forum only =
stores the signed message and bitcoin address the users provide the first t=
ime they use the site, both are public information. In addition, there is n=
o database, everything is simply an RSS feed. For the sake of usability we =
have included a redis for the sessions, at the cost of additional exposure =
to potential risks: users no longer need to sign a token every time they wi=
sh to post.</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">All source code will be available on github in the nex=
t few days. </span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px">=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"vertical-align:ba=
seline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:12px;white-space:pre=
-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana=
;font-weight:normal">We welcome any feedback or suggestions.</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px"><br>=A0</p></span></span>
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developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white=
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