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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, slush <slush@centrum.cz> wrote:
> I really like this proposal with standard URLs. All other proposals like =
DNS
> mapping or email aliases converted to URLs with some weird logic looks
> strange to me.

wow, really. Maybe you could review some RFCs, there are thousands of
examples where some really smart engineers chose the exact opposite
path which you propose below.

-rick

> Plain URLs (returning address in response body, redirecting to URI
> "bitcoin:<address>" or anything else) are very clear solution, easy to
> implement in clients and very easy to understand by people. It's also
> extremely flexible - almost everybody can somewhere setup static file
> containing his "personal" addresses or it's very easy to integrate such
> solution with eshops (providing custom address for given order) etc. I'm
> definitely for this solution.
>
> Best,
> slush
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>
>> On 2011 December 13 Tuesday, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the document, but this is the intent wi=
th
>> > the HTTPS proposal.
>>
>> I don't like the idea of a hard-coded mapping at all. =A0We shouldn't be
>> making
>> choices on behalf of server operators. =A0It's up to them how they arran=
ge
>> their
>> domain names and paths.
>>
>> I also agree that DNS is not the technology to use. =A0DNS is a nightmar=
e.
>>
>> > genjix@foo.org
>> >
>> > Contacts https://foo.org/bitcoin-alias/?handle=3Dgenjix and the system
>> > responds with a bitcoin address. Whether the system gives you a new
>> > address from a pool of addresses, or contacts the merchant behind the
>> > scenes is implementation defined.
>> >
>> > I'll clarify it later. This is the relevant line:
>> >
>> > string strRequestUrl =3D strDomain + "/bitcoin-alias/?handle=3D" +
>> > pszEncodedNick;
>> >
>> > Between HTTPS service and server service, I lean slightly towards HTTP=
S
>> > (automatic encrypted connection, CAs + all benefits of DNS). But still
>> > interested in arguments in favour of a server service (daemon answerin=
g
>> > queries).
>>
>> Why bother with an encoding scheme at all? =A0If the address
>>
>> =A0genjix@foo.org
>>
>> always maps to
>>
>> =A0https://foo.org/bitcoin-alias/?handle=3Dgenjix
>>
>> Then forget the hardcoding of "https" the hardcoding of "bitcoin-alias"
>> and
>> "?handle=3D" and the original email-looking "genjix@foo.org". =A0Just us=
e the
>> URL.
>> Then the author of the service can use whatever they want.
>>
>> =A0"Can I pay you 10 BTC?"
>> =A0"Sure, send it to 'https://bitcoinalias.foo.org/genjix/'"
>>
>> While I might implement my alias server like this:
>>
>> =A0"Sure, send it to 'https://google.com/bitcoin/?andyparkins'"
>> =A0"Sure, send it to 'https://parkins.co.uk/"
>>
>> ... or any other URL they want -- any of which suit might suit me and my
>> webserver better than whatever mapping would otherwise be hard-coded. =
=A0The
>> world is already very familiar with URLs so this is no more scary than t=
he
>> email address. =A0What's more, the email address form looks _too much_ l=
ike
>> an
>> email address, and will only lead to confusion ... "send it to
>> genjix@foo.org"
>> "so I use outlook express for that, right?" =A0"erm, no, you put it in y=
our
>> bitcoin client".
>>
>> The URL form could easily be made to detect a browser connecting rather
>> than a
>> bitcoin client (and this is an area that would benefit from a standards
>> document -- define the headers and user agent triggers that an alias
>> server
>> expects) and give them better instructions.
>>
>> https can be specified as the default, so =A0"https://" can be optional =
when
>> they're typing. =A0If, in the future, bitcoin gets a distributed
>> peer-to-peer
>> alias system, then a new URL type can be added easily
>> "bcalias://andyparkins"
>> might automatically find my node in the network and query it for an
>> address
>> (or whatever).
>>
>> All of the above is exactly why OpenID chose to use URLs for ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> --
>> Dr Andy Parkins
>> andyparkins@gmail.com
>>
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