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I reject the premise of this proposed BIP.  Mandating miners to include a
specific percentage of transactions based on age fundamentally undermines
the core principles of Bitcoin: decentralization, voluntary participation,
and free market dynamics.

Bitcoin thrives because of its permissionless, free-market system. Miners
are incentivized to prioritize transactions based on fees and network
conditions, not arbitrary mandates. Imposing a rule like this introduces
central planning into what is a decentralized system.

The proposal claims to fight centralization, but will likely backfire.
Mandates like this add operational complexity and reduce efficiency for
miners. Smaller miners, who are already operating on thin margins, will be
disproportionately impacted, driving them out of the market and further
centralizing mining power. If censorship-resistant mining is valuable, let
the free market reward those who provide it.  If there=E2=80=99s demand for=
 miners
to include old or low-fee transactions, let someone build tools and pools
that prioritize this voluntarily.  Solutions shall arise from innovation,
not coercion.

Best regards,
Mike

On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM developer <estensioni.app@gmail.com=
> wrote:

> Status: Draft
> Type: Standards Track
> Created: December 27, 2024
> Abstract
>
> This proposal mandates miners to include at least 0.1% of transactions in
> their blocks from the oldest transactions by date, even if they have low
> fees. This mechanism helps prevent mining centralization and censorship,
> encouraging miners not to exclude certain transactions.
> Motivation
>
> The increasing centralization of Bitcoin mining and potential regulations
> that may require miners to censor or exclude certain transactions pose a
> threat to the Bitcoin network. Mandating the inclusion of a small
> percentage of old transactions, even with low fees, ensures that no singl=
e
> miner can censor block contents without sacrificing their own rewards.
> Specification
>
>     Mandatory Inclusion of Old even if with Low-Fee Transactions
>         Each miner is required to include at least 0.1% of the total
> transactions in a block from the oldest transactions in the mempool, even
> if their fees are below the current market average.
>         These transactions must be added to blocks regardless of their
> fees, prioritizing their age.
>
>     Block Validation
>         Bitcoin network nodes will validate blocks only if they contain
> the required percentage of old transactions.
>         If a block fails to meet this criterion, it will be deemed invali=
d
> and rejected by the network.
>
>     Incentives
>         Miners are incentivized to include these transactions to ensure
> their blocks are valid and to avoid losing block rewards.
>
> Advantages
>
>     Censorship Resistance: Miners cannot censor transactions without
> forfeiting their rewards.
>     Greater Inclusivity: Old and low-fee transactions are assured of bein=
g
> confirmed.
>     Decentralization Prevention: Reducing the potential for centralized
> censorship keeps the Bitcoin network decentralized.
>
> Considerations
>
>     Impact on the Mempool: The mempool may become more dynamic and
> up-to-date with fewer old, stagnant transactions.
>     Resource Management: Miners will need to adjust their systems to
> automatically identify and include relevant transactions.
>
> Conclusion
>
> Implementing this BIP will help maintain the integrity and
> decentralization of the Bitcoin network, preventing censorship and ensuri=
ng
> all transactions have a fair chance of confirmation.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I reject the premise of this proposed BIP.=C2=A0 Mandating=
 miners to include a specific percentage of transactions based on age funda=
mentally undermines the core principles of Bitcoin: decentralization, volun=
tary participation, and free market dynamics.<br><br>Bitcoin thrives becaus=
e of its permissionless, free-market system. Miners are incentivized to pri=
oritize transactions based on fees and network conditions, not arbitrary ma=
ndates. Imposing a rule like this introduces central planning into what is =
a decentralized system.<br><br>The proposal claims to fight centralization,=
 but will likely backfire. Mandates like this add operational complexity an=
d reduce efficiency for miners. Smaller miners, who are already operating o=
n thin margins, will be disproportionately impacted, driving them out of th=
e market and further centralizing mining power. If censorship-resistant min=
ing is valuable, let the free market reward those who provide it.=C2=A0 If =
there=E2=80=99s demand for miners to include old or low-fee transactions, l=
et someone build tools and pools that prioritize this voluntarily.=C2=A0 So=
lutions shall arise from innovation, not coercion.<br><br>Best regards,<br>=
Mike<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM devel=
oper &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:estensioni.app@gmail.com">estensioni.app@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-le=
ft-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Status: Draft<br>Type: Standard=
s Track<br>Created: December 27, 2024<br>Abstract<br><br>This proposal mand=
ates miners to include at least 0.1% of transactions in their blocks from t=
he oldest transactions by date, even if they have low fees. This mechanism =
helps prevent mining centralization and censorship, encouraging miners not =
to exclude certain transactions.<br>Motivation<br><br>The increasing centra=
lization of Bitcoin mining and potential regulations that may require miner=
s to censor or exclude certain transactions pose a threat to the Bitcoin ne=
twork. Mandating the inclusion of a small percentage of old transactions, e=
ven with low fees, ensures that no single miner can censor block contents w=
ithout sacrificing their own rewards.<br>Specification<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Mandatory Inclusion of Old even if with Low-Fee Transactions<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Each miner is required to include at least 0.1% of the to=
tal transactions in a block from the oldest transactions in the mempool, ev=
en if their fees are below the current market average.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 These transactions must be added to blocks regardless of their f=
ees, prioritizing their age.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Block Validation<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bitcoin network nodes will validate blocks only if=
 they contain the required percentage of old transactions.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If a block fails to meet this criterion, it will be deemed i=
nvalid and rejected by the network.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Incentives<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Miners are incentivized to include these transacti=
ons to ensure their blocks are valid and to avoid losing block rewards.<br>=
<br>Advantages<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Censorship Resistance: Miners cannot ce=
nsor transactions without forfeiting their rewards.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greate=
r Inclusivity: Old and low-fee transactions are assured of being confirmed.=
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Decentralization Prevention: Reducing the potential for c=
entralized censorship keeps the Bitcoin network decentralized.<br><br>Consi=
derations<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Impact on the Mempool: The mempool may becom=
e more dynamic and up-to-date with fewer old, stagnant transactions.<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 Resource Management: Miners will need to adjust their systems to=
 automatically identify and include relevant transactions.<br><br>Conclusio=
n<br><br>Implementing this BIP will help maintain the integrity and decentr=
alization of the Bitcoin network, preventing censorship and ensuring all tr=
ansactions have a fair chance of confirmation.

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