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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 13:45:27 +0200
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Relax OP_RETURN standardness restrictions
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> >> As for your earlier proposals (Ordisrespector, etc), they were not
>> useful in general, because they rely too heavily on having
>> standardness rules go against financial incentives. Only consensus
>> changes can work, but so far you haven't proposed those.
>
> That's nonsense. They were and continue to be very effective, even with
> only a small amount of adoption.
Further, mining centralization and
> pools denying miners options has been the biggest barrier to that
> adoption. There is no significant financial impact either, that's just
> FUD; miners using the fixed and improved spam filters have in fact
> earned significantly more than miners using Core.
I'll reply to your arguments when Ocean Pool reorgs a competitor block with inscriptions in it.
- Sjors
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