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On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 2:56 PM Ryan Grant <bitcoin-dev@rgrant.org> wrote:

> Michael and Jorge,
>
> It is ethically inappropriate to make personal attacks on the
> trustworthiness of participants on this list, on such vague grounds as
> disliking an activation proposal!
>
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith
>

I don't think the same principle is being applied to me and other people,
sadly.
Some people disregard dissent on the grounds that it comes from "people who
just loo for dissent".
I don't think it is unethical to say the truth. In fact, I think it is fair
that I clarify my bias against jeremy.
I realize it can be held against me.
What I think is hypocritical and unethical is having rules that are only
expected to be followed by some.

Is everyone assuming good intentions from me?
Is everyone assuming good intentions from luke?
Is everyone assuming good intentions from michael?

I don't think so.

It is against the spirit of the project to base your judgements of a
> technical solution on who presents them!  You should not be so
> technically adrift that you only have reputation left to speak about.
>

I disagree, I think it is against the spirit of the project to trust ideas
based on who they come from.
In that sense, I apologize for not being able to distrust every other
developer as much as I can distrust jeremy.


> If you disagree with ideas, then shoot them down on the technical merits.
>
>
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-October/011457.html
>

I've tried regarding bip8 and speedy trial. I may be wrong, but I think
those ideas have been discarded not on their technical merits, but based on
who were promoting them. I feel there has been a biased against people like
Luke-jr or me.
That's subjective. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid. But I truly think
Jeremy distrusts me and luke as much as I distrusts him, he just won't say
it.
Anyway, I had said it once before, so I guess there's no need to further
disclaim my bias against jeremy.


> If you disagree with people, then take it to smuttier sections of the
> Internet.
>
>
Yeah, to twitter, right? lol, sorry, I couldn't resist the joke.
Sorry.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 2:56 PM Ryan =
Grant &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@rgrant.org">bitcoin-dev@rgrant.org<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">M=
ichael and Jorge,<br>
<br>
It is ethically inappropriate to make personal attacks on the<br>
trustworthiness of participants on this list, on such vague grounds as<br>
disliking an activation proposal!<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe=
dia:Assume_good_faith</a><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t t=
hink the same principle is being applied to me and other people, sadly.<br>=
</div><div>Some people disregard dissent on the grounds that it comes from =
&quot;people who just loo for dissent&quot;.<br></div><div>I don&#39;t thin=
k it is unethical to say the truth. In fact, I think it is fair that I clar=
ify my bias against jeremy.</div><div>I realize it can be held against me. =
<br></div><div>What I think is hypocritical and unethical is having rules t=
hat are only expected to be followed by some.</div><div><br></div><div>Is e=
veryone assuming good intentions from me?</div><div><div>Is everyone assumi=
ng good intentions from luke?</div><div>Is everyone assuming good intention=
s from michael?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t think so.<br><br><=
/div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
It is against the spirit of the project to base your judgements of a<br>
technical solution on who presents them!=C2=A0 You should not be so<br>
technically adrift that you only have reputation left to speak about.<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>I disagree, I think it is against the spirit=
 of the project to trust ideas based on who they come from.</div><div>In th=
at sense, I apologize for not being able to distrust every other developer =
as much as I can distrust jeremy.<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If you disagree with ideas, then shoot them down on the technical merits.<b=
r>
<br>
=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2=
015-October/011457.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists=
.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-October/011457.html</a><br>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>I&#39;ve tried regarding bip8 and spe=
edy trial. I may be wrong, but I=20
think those ideas have been discarded not on their technical merits, but
 based on who were promoting them. I feel there has been a biased=20
against people like Luke-jr or me. <br></div><div>That&#39;s subjective.=20
Perhaps I&#39;m just being paranoid. But I truly think Jeremy distrusts me=
=20
and luke as much as I distrusts him, he just won&#39;t say it.</div><div>An=
yway, I had said it once before, so I guess there&#39;s no need to further =
disclaim my bias against jeremy.</div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If you disagree with people, then take it to smuttier sections of the Inter=
net.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Ye=
ah, to twitter, right? lol, sorry, I couldn&#39;t resist the joke.</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">Sorry.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div></div></div>

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