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Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>,
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 70 refund field
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On 28.03.2014, at 12:46, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
> I don't want to manage a "business relationship" with every shop I buy =
something from. That's way too much effort. There can certainly be cases =
where a more complicated relationship is created by bootstrapping off =
BIP70, perhaps with an extension, but nailing the ordinary =
buyer-to-seller relationship seems like a good scope for BIP70 for now.
>=20
It is not more effort than an auto remembered call-in phone number. You =
delete if you do not care. The difference however is that it would be a =
clean protocol for repeated payments in both directions for whatever =
reason, where "refund" is and "payment" are not special compared to "1st =
installment", "overpayed back" or "tip" or whatever extra charge arises =
later.
>=20
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Tamas Blummer =
<tamas@bitsofproof.com> wrote:
> Yes, you begin to see that the payment protocol, as is has a too =
narrow scope of a web cart - customer, and does not even fit that.
>=20
> It is not about payment requests but about business relationships. We =
need a protocol that deals with that concept instead of individual =
requests,
> so we really get out of the hell of addresses. Business relationships =
are terminated by the parties at their own and not bey algorithms and =
timeouts.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Tamas Blummer
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>=20
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is not more effort than an auto remembered call-in phone number. You delete if you do not care. The difference however is that it would be a clean protocol for repeated payments in both directions for whatever reason, where "refund" is and "payment" are not special compared to "1st installment", "overpayed back" or "tip" or whatever extra charge arises later.</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Tamas Blummer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tamas@bitsofproof.com" target="_blank">tamas@bitsofproof.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Yes, you begin to see that the payment protocol, as is has a too narrow scope of a web cart - customer, and does not even fit that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is not about payment requests but about business relationships. We need a protocol that deals with that concept instead of individual requests,</div><div>so we really get out of the hell of addresses. Business relationships are terminated by the parties at their own and not bey algorithms and timeouts.</div>
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