1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
|
Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192]
helo=mx.sourceforge.net)
by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76)
(envelope-from <jgarzik@bitpay.com>) id 1VYcd3-00012R-Db
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:08:13 +0000
Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of bitpay.com
designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender)
client-ip=209.85.212.176; envelope-from=jgarzik@bitpay.com;
helo=mail-wi0-f176.google.com;
Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176])
by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
(Exim 4.76) id 1VYcd2-0007vy-Bz
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:08:13 +0000
Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l12so5741303wiv.9
for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>;
Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date
:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type;
bh=xi+sS2Wkt6o2ywUqgi2sWe2nlgRTzFA8UO0PGxHzUIY=;
b=W4GDI39/9xyPZMjjzqrpmsFH9NiklDj25cUHzsKmsunvbnbc9Qf4H62AecYo6uIZgX
xTkfKW82nc/A+1+x3uPhkdrmS//FI/ny+viLiM7OFh7JpaInNtR/csRJgmZrItXHeC2T
gr3id7nxwAvCyJoUbzJkB9gOYU3ftbup/bF5jQ9tRmo/bBRk9Ex5MKRip5Q7Qa25cCk6
nTs/vNJzpDWuGyix3Ey3pDShy3Q41NDlrZKp5kH7rFaBe/9Ov52TUOaJVmAS5de+cKLw
uZu/FGGwxm9PX7QjUevxHy0lC0lbI27vtCzjBxY5g6tMDohmQ0TV91cwusog7tAx3QXb
YYNQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkBlyPqO46YjtyQEhpabqpLn3pUdsUyOi6iqwA91r3whcfX1Pr+UhyyCB4lNdnGOCeF+Vpz
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.180.78.167 with SMTP id c7mr14642090wix.25.1382450886180;
Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.194.164.164 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <52662AA1.5050509@250bpm.com>
References: <791a727f-2188-4848-bd77-ea733c8c5c2c@me.com>
<201310211947.59640.luke@dashjr.org> <52661DB7.7040805@250bpm.com>
<FAE2A544-9295-4087-96DE-D4602D109CBD@me.com>
<CAAS2fgS2f=gYRSr1n2DzK7CUH3xG3J2JMnDreCKBoCcJcpGLxg@mail.gmail.com>
<52662AA1.5050509@250bpm.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:08:06 -0400
Message-ID: <CAJHLa0NDus+Ou5go8b_OHvjYW8f7oxXbpxnHTG3dcvxGR49nxA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com>
To: Martin Sustrik <sustrik@250bpm.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-)
X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked.
See
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block
for more information. [URIs: doubleclick.net]
-1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
sender-domain
-0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record
-0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from
author's domain
0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature,
not necessarily valid
-0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature
X-Headers-End: 1VYcd2-0007vy-Bz
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Revisiting the BIPS process, a proposal
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:08:13 -0000
All that is good practice, but we should avoid adding burdensome
process that might discourage BIP writing.
Consider a distributed approach: if you feel a draft needs more
sections or better language, submit a pull request yourself and help
community-edit the document.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Martin Sustrik <sustrik@250bpm.com> wrote:
> On 22/10/13 09:03, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman
>> <jeanpaulkogelman@me.com> wrote:
>>> Have you seen: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification ?
>>
>> Take care, the information in the wiki is woefully incomplete.
>
> Imagine myself, with no prior knowledge of Bitcoin looking at the
> document. It starts with "Hashes". What hashes? No idea what's going on.
> Etc.
>
> Now compare that to a well written RFC. It starts with introduction,
> description of the problem, explains the conceptual model of the
> solution, then dives into the details. There's also Security
> Considerations part in every RFC that is pretty relevant for Bitcoin.
>
> As I said, I am willing to help with writing such document, it would be
> a nice way of learning the stuff, however, help from core devs, such as
> answering question that may arise in the process, or reviewing the
> document would be needed.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> October Webinars: Code for Performance
> Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance.
> Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from
> the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register >
> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
--
Jeff Garzik
Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist
BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/
|