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Ah nevermind, I get it now.

The contrapositive of this proposed standardness rule is that if one annex
is empty, then all annexes must be empty.  Therefore if on participants
signs an empty annex, then standardness would imply that all the annexes
must be empty.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM Russell O'Connor <roconnor@blockst=
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wrote:

> Can you provide more details on how all inputs having an annex prevents
> transaction pinning attacks in multi-party protocols?
>
> From my naive understanding, in multi-party protocols one party can grief
> by inflating the weight of their annex and broadcast their heavier /
> lower-fee rate version of the transaction, and having an annex in all
> inputs does not help this because one party can still change their own
> annex, resign, and broadcast their heavier transaction.
>
> However, I'm not up to date on the latest details about full RBF and
> pinning attacks, so there is a good chance I'm missing something here.
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 9:02=E2=80=AFPM Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> w=
rote:
>
>> I'm working on adding support for the taproot annex to Libre Relay:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/04c8e449a34e74e048bf5751d135=
92a22763ff7e
>>
>> I'm basing this on Joost Jager's pull-req:
>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27926
>>
>> Specifically, transactions containing taproot annexes will be standard
>> if:
>>
>> 1) All non-empty annexes start with the byte 0x00, to distinguish them
>>    from consensus-relevant annexes. This ensures that any use of the
>>    annex will not conflict with future soft-forks that may assign
>>    meaning to the annex.
>>
>> 2) All inputs have an annex. This ensures that use of the annex is
>>    opt-in, preventing transaction pinning attacks in multi-party
>>    protocols. This requirement may be relaxed in the future, eg to allow
>>    spends of keyless outputs, and/or if RBF for witness-only
>>    replacements is implemented.
>>
>> An example of a transaction meeting these requirements is:
>>
>>
>> 010000000001011a559447098aaa14dec0c62ea55f43f9ce6bda07d1759f11b634334ab9=
da939b0000000000ffffffff010000000000000000076a05616e6e657802406840b6fa27a00=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ah nevermind, I get it now.</div><div><br></div><div>=
The contrapositive of this proposed standardness rule is that if one annex =
is empty, then all annexes must be empty.=C2=A0 Therefore if on participant=
s signs an empty annex, then standardness would imply that all the annexes =
must be empty.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 12:13=E2=
=80=AFPM Russell O&#39;Connor &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roconnor@blockstream.co=
m">roconnor@blockstream.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div>Can=
 you provide more details on how all inputs having an annex prevents transa=
ction pinning attacks in multi-party protocols?</div><div><br></div><div>Fr=
om my naive understanding, in multi-party protocols one party can grief by =
inflating the weight of their annex and broadcast their heavier / lower-fee=
 rate version of the transaction, and having an annex in all inputs does no=
t help this because one party can still change their own annex, resign, and=
 broadcast their heavier transaction.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I&#=
39;m not up to date on the latest details about full RBF and pinning attack=
s, so there is a good chance I&#39;m missing something here.</div><div><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On W=
ed, Mar 19, 2025 at 9:02=E2=80=AFPM Peter Todd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pete@p=
etertodd.org" target=3D"_blank">pete@petertodd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m working on adding=
 support for the taproot annex to Libre Relay:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/04c8e449a34e74e048bf=
5751d13592a22763ff7e" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.c=
om/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/04c8e449a34e74e048bf5751d13592a22763ff7e</a><br=
>
<br>
I&#39;m basing this on Joost Jager&#39;s pull-req: <a href=3D"https://githu=
b.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27926" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27926</a><br>
<br>
Specifically, transactions containing taproot annexes will be standard<br>
if:<br>
<br>
1) All non-empty annexes start with the byte 0x00, to distinguish them<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0from consensus-relevant annexes. This ensures that any use of =
the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0annex will not conflict with future soft-forks that may assign=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0meaning to the annex.<br>
<br>
2) All inputs have an annex. This ensures that use of the annex is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0opt-in, preventing transaction pinning attacks in multi-party<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0protocols. This requirement may be relaxed in the future, eg t=
o allow<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0spends of keyless outputs, and/or if RBF for witness-only<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0replacements is implemented.<br>
<br>
An example of a transaction meeting these requirements is:<br>
<br>
010000000001011a559447098aaa14dec0c62ea55f43f9ce6bda07d1759f11b634334ab9da9=
39b0000000000ffffffff010000000000000000076a05616e6e657802406840b6fa27a00ba0=
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6520796f7520616e20616e6e65783f0000000000<br>
<br>
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