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This type of proposal, is fundamentally incompatible with Bitcoin's ethos
for several reasons.

1. Sovereignty and Immutability of Property
In Bitcoin, ownership of a coin is guaranteed exclusively by possession of
the corresponding private key. The idea that funds can be "reclaimed" or
"recycled" after a period of inactivity amounts to automated confiscation,
albeit disguised as economic efficiency. This undermines trust in the
inviolability of property=E2=80=94something sacred to long-term users.

2. The 21 Million Rule is Inviolable, but the Supply is also Deterministic
Although the proposal claims to respect the 21 million cap, it alters the
nature of supply distribution. The fact that UTXOs are lost is part of the
economic reality of BTC=E2=80=94the actual circulating supply is lower than=
 the
theoretical one, and this is priced in. Attempting to "correct" this is a
form of monetary intervention without legitimate authority in the system.

3. Perverse Precedent and Attack on Finality
Allowing a UTXO to be reused after N years sets a very dangerous precedent:
ownership of BTC is no longer absolute and becomes conditional on activity.
This directly attacks the finality of transactions and the ledger=E2=80=94o=
ne of
the pillars of the system.

4. Negative Impact on Long-Term Trust
People who store BTC for the future=E2=80=94whether for decades, for reason=
s of
inheritance, security, or trust in the network=E2=80=94would lose the guara=
ntee
that their BTC will remain untouched. This reduces Bitcoin's perceived
value as a solid and reliable store of value.

5. This Has Already Been Considered and Rejected
Similar proposals (such as coin expiry or reclaimable outputs) have been
discussed in the past, and the Bitcoin community has consistently rejected
them based on the above principles.

Em ter., 15 de jul. de 2025, 15:26, 'Donald Dienst' via Bitcoin Development
Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> escreveu:

> Dear Bitcoin developers,
>
> I would like to propose a new BIP titled "Proof-of-Activity Reclamation
> (PoAR)," which aims to address the long-term economic effects of lost and
> abandoned UTXOs.
>
> This proposal introduces a fully automated and rule-based mechanism to
> gradually recycle coins that have been provably inactive for over 20 year=
s.
> These coins are returned to the undistributed pool and slowly reintroduce=
d
> via future block rewards=E2=80=94extending miner incentives while respect=
ing the 21
> million BTC cap.
>
> You can view the full proposal here:
> https://gist.github.com/Brandchatz/56c39d289db9e56190c13922850815b8
>
> I welcome your thoughts, suggestions, and critiques.
>
> Best regards,
> Donald Dienst
> dddienst@protonmail.com
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">This type of proposal, is fundamentally=
 incompatible with Bitcoin&#39;s ethos for several reasons.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">1. Sovereignty and Immutability of Pr=
operty</div><div dir=3D"auto">In Bitcoin, ownership of a coin is guaranteed=
 exclusively by possession of the corresponding private key. The idea that =
funds can be &quot;reclaimed&quot; or &quot;recycled&quot; after a period o=
f inactivity amounts to automated confiscation, albeit disguised as economi=
c efficiency. This undermines trust in the inviolability of property=E2=80=
=94something sacred to long-term users.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">2. The 21 Million Rule is Inviolable, but the Supply is als=
o Deterministic</div><div dir=3D"auto">Although the proposal claims to resp=
ect the 21 million cap, it alters the nature of supply distribution. The fa=
ct that UTXOs are lost is part of the economic reality of BTC=E2=80=94the a=
ctual circulating supply is lower than the theoretical one, and this is pri=
ced in. Attempting to &quot;correct&quot; this is a form of monetary interv=
ention without legitimate authority in the system.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">3. Perverse Precedent and Attack on Finality</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">Allowing a UTXO to be reused after N years sets a very =
dangerous precedent: ownership of BTC is no longer absolute and becomes con=
ditional on activity. This directly attacks the finality of transactions an=
d the ledger=E2=80=94one of the pillars of the system.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">4. Negative Impact on Long-Term Trust</div><=
div dir=3D"auto">People who store BTC for the future=E2=80=94whether for de=
cades, for reasons of inheritance, security, or trust in the network=E2=80=
=94would lose the guarantee that their BTC will remain untouched. This redu=
ces Bitcoin&#39;s perceived value as a solid and reliable store of value.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">5. This Has Already Been =
Considered and Rejected</div><div dir=3D"auto">Similar proposals (such as c=
oin expiry or reclaimable outputs) have been discussed in the past, and the=
 Bitcoin community has consistently rejected them based on the above princi=
ples.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Em ter., 15 de jul. de 2025, 15:26, &#39;D=
onald Dienst&#39; via Bitcoin Development Mailing List &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:bitcoindev@googlegroups.com">bitcoindev@googlegroups.com</a>&gt; escreveu=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Bitcoin developers,<br><br>I=
 would like to propose a new BIP titled &quot;Proof-of-Activity Reclamation=
 (PoAR),&quot; which aims to address the long-term economic effects of lost=
 and abandoned UTXOs.<br><br>This proposal introduces a fully automated and=
 rule-based mechanism to gradually recycle coins that have been provably in=
active for over 20 years. These coins are returned to the undistributed poo=
l and slowly reintroduced via future block rewards=E2=80=94extending miner =
incentives while respecting the 21 million BTC cap.<br><br>You can view the=
 full proposal here:<br><a href=3D"https://gist.github.com/Brandchatz/56c39=
d289db9e56190c13922850815b8" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://g=
ist.github.com/Brandchatz/56c39d289db9e56190c13922850815b8</a><br><br>I wel=
come your thoughts, suggestions, and critiques.<br><br>Best regards, =C2=A0=
<br>Donald Dienst =C2=A0<br><a href=3D"mailto:dddienst@protonmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dddienst@protonmail.com</a>

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