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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
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Correct.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM moonsettler <moonsettler@protonmail=
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wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> > Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet
> is not BIP348 compliant.
> Wdym not compliant? Because it also has CSFSV?
>
> BR,
> moonsetler
>
> On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 2:29 AM, Greg Sanders <gsanders87@gmail.co=
m>
> wrote:
>
> > Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinynet
> is not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am no=
t
> sure.
> > I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of BIP348-compatible
> PRs, at a minimum.
> >
> > Greg
> > On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Weikeng,
> > > I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No
> objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoi=
n
> developers.
> > >
> > > Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for
> it on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
> > >
> > > [0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
> > > [1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818
> > > [2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-2=
8
> > >
> > > /dev/fd0
> > > floppy disk guy
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weiken...@l2iterative.com=
>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS
> should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently
> received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a
> few years, CSFS isn't.
> > > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the
> LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps
> with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lowe=
r
> potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows
> applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Weikeng
> > >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Correct.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_co=
ntainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 7:54=
=E2=80=AFAM moonsettler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moonsettler@protonmail.com">m=
oonsettler@protonmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Greg,<br>
<br>
&gt; Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinyne=
t is not BIP348 compliant. <br>
Wdym not compliant? Because it also has CSFSV?<br>
<br>
BR,<br>
moonsetler<br>
<br>
On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 2:29 AM, Greg Sanders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
gsanders87@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gsanders87@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
<br>
&gt; Noting that from my quick glance that the CSFS implemented in mutinyne=
t is not BIP348 compliant. How much that matters for experimenters, I am no=
t sure.<br>
&gt; I opened a PR to inquisition to rectify the lack of BIP348-compatible =
PRs, at a minimum.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Greg<br>
&gt; On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 12:02:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 /dev /fd0 wrote=
:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Weikeng,<br>
&gt; &gt; I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No=
 objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin=
 developers.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support=
 for it on [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; [0]: <a href=3D"https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_supp=
ort</a><br>
&gt; &gt; [1]: <a href=3D"https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://x.com/Snyke/status/189588001379=
6556818</a><br>
&gt; &gt; [2]: <a href=3D"https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wi=
zards/2019-11-28" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://freenode.irc=
log.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; /dev/fd0<br>
&gt; &gt; floppy disk guy<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
weiken...@l2iterative.com" target=3D"_blank">weiken...@l2iterative.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I am writing just to solicit people&#39;s opinions on whethe=
r CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has rece=
ntly received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for=
 a few years, CSFS isn&#39;t.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of th=
e LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps=
 with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower=
 potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applicatio=
ns relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Weikeng<br>
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