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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
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It would be helpful to hear from the other miners, and perhaps arrange some
testing and telemetry in China with 8 ...  that's even a Chinese lucky
number ;)

p.


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com> wrote:

>  Ah sorry, I just thought you were saying doesn't matter which side let
> 'em burn.
>
> If I were the Chinese and people moved to 20mb MAX size blocks and said
> stuff you, I'd just start firing out small coinbase only blocks now, if
> they truly have >50% hashing power and they collaborate chances are they
> can build a longer chain of just coinbase for themselves then the rest of
> the network doing big blocks. They don't even have to propagate this chai=
n
> to you in a hurry right? And then they never have to receive a 20mb block
> from you because they have a longer chain without 20mb blocks and always
> ahead of your big blocks. As long as it is the longest chain it is
> Authority so let you guys transact your coinbase from the blocks you crea=
te
> etc. then whamo along come the chinese and supply a longer chain of just
> coinbase only blocks which invalidates all your previous transactions and
> gives them all the coinbase they stamped, while invalidating yours.
>
> But who cares about them right :p
>  ------------------------------
> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
> Sent: =E2=80=8E2/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 4:19 AM
> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
>
>  By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situation I had hoped
> people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive his statement
> was.  I am sorry to those in the community if they misunderstood my post.=
 I
> thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously belie=
ve
> particular participants should be excluded.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the
> companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they
> can't mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation, bu=
t
> don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're going
> to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power, why wou=
ld
> you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of
> adopters wallets? Same thing.
>  ------------------------------
> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
> Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM
> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
>
>    Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on
> forever regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent
> "right" to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China
> can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewal=
l *TO
> THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted then OK, too
> bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
>
>  Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever
> regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" t=
o
> mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial
> amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being
> outcompeted then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>
>  But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node
> on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>It would be helpful to hear from the other miner=
s, and perhaps arrange some testing and telemetry in China with 8 ...=C2=A0=
 that&#39;s even a Chinese lucky number ;)<br></div><br></div>p.<br><span c=
lass=3D"im"></span><br><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Thy Shizzle <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:thyshizzle@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">thyshizzle@ou=
tlook.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">



<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Ah sorry, I ju=
st thought you were saying doesn&#39;t matter which side let &#39;em burn.<=
br>
<br>
If I were the Chinese and people moved to 20mb MAX size blocks and said stu=
ff you, I&#39;d just start firing out small coinbase only blocks now, if th=
ey truly have &gt;50% hashing power and they collaborate chances are they c=
an build a longer chain of just coinbase
 for themselves then the rest of the network doing big blocks. They don&#39=
;t even have to propagate this chain to you in a hurry right? And then they=
 never have to receive a 20mb block from you because they have a longer cha=
in without 20mb blocks and always ahead
 of your big blocks. As long as it is the longest chain it is Authority so =
let you guys transact your coinbase from the blocks you create etc. then wh=
amo along come the chinese and supply a longer chain of just coinbase only =
blocks which invalidates all your
 previous transactions and gives them all the coinbase they stamped, while =
invalidating yours.<br>
<br>
But who cares about them right :p</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"">
<hr>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">From:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Warren Togami Jr.</a></spa=
n><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-we=
ight:bold">Sent:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=E2=80=
=8E2/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 4:19 AM</span><span class=3D""><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Cc:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">Bi=
tcoin Dev</a></span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Subject:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [B=
itcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span><br>
<br>
</span></div><span class=3D"">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">By reversing Mike&#39;s language to the reality of the sit=
uation I had hoped people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensiti=
ve his statement was.=C2=A0 I am sorry to those in the community if they mi=
sunderstood my post. I thought it was obvious
 that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously believe particular participan=
ts should be excluded.<br>
<div><br>
<div>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thyshizzle@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">thyshizzle@=
outlook.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Doesn&#39;t me=
an you should build something that says &quot;fuck you&quot; to the compani=
es that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say &quot;Oh yea if they can&#3=
9;t mine it how we want stuff &#39;em&quot; is naive. I get decentralisatio=
n,
 but don&#39;t dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you&#=
39;re going to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold &gt; 50% hashing p=
ower, why would you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoi=
n out of adopters wallets? Same thing.</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">From:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Warren Togami Jr.</a></spa=
n><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Sent:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=E2=80=
=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM</span><span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Cc:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">Bi=
tcoin Dev</a></span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo=
ld">Subject:
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [B=
itcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span><br>
<br>
</span></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:medium none;padding:0px=
">Whilst it would be nice if miners
<strike>in</strike> <b>outside</b> China can carry on forever regardless of=
 their internet situation, nobody has any inherent &quot;right&quot; to min=
e if they can&#39;t do the job - if miners
<strike>in</strike>=C2=A0<b>outside</b> China can&#39;t get the trivial amo=
unts of bandwidth required
<strike>through their firewall</strike> <b>TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE<=
/b> and end up being outcompeted then OK, too bad, we&#39;ll have to carry =
on without them.<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regard=
less of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent &quot;right&quot;=
 to mine if they can&#39;t do the job - if miners in China can&#39;t get th=
e trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their
 firewall and end up being outcompeted then OK, too bad, we&#39;ll have to =
carry on without them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I&#39;m not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run =
a node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so=
.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
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