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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] RFC: Deterministic Entropy From BIP32 Keychains
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I have completely revised the wording of this proposal I hope to be clearer=
 in explaining the motivation and methodology.

https://gist.github.com/ethankosakovsky/268c52f018b94bea29a6e809381c05d6

Ethan

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On Friday, March 20, 2020 4:44 PM, Ethan Kosakovsky via bitcoin-dev <bitcoi=
n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I would like to present a proposal for discussion and peer review. It aim=
s to solve the problem of "too many seeds and too many backups" due to the =
many reasons stipulated in the proposal text.
>
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ethankosakovsky/f7d148f588d14e0bb4f70b=
b6afc509d0/raw/6da51e837b0e1f1b2b21f3d4cbc2c5a87969ffd5/bip-entropy-from-bi=
p32.mediawiki
>
> <pre>
> BIP:
> Title: Deterministic Entropy From BIP32 Keychains
> Author: Ethan Kosakovsky ethankosakovsky@protonmail.com
> Comments-Summary: No comments yet.
> Comments-URI:
> Status: Proposed
> Type: Standards Track
> Created: 2020-03-20
> License: BSD-2-Clause
> OPL
> </pre>
>
> =3D=3DAbstract=3D=3D
>
> This proposal provides a way to derive entropy from a HD keychain path in=
 order to deterministically derive the initial entropy used to create keych=
ain mnemonics and seeds.
>
> =3D=3DMotivation=3D=3D
>
> BIP32 uses some initial entropy as a seed to deterministically derive a B=
IP32 root for hierarchical deterministic keychains. BIP39 introduced a meth=
od of encoding initial entropy into a mnemonic phrase which is used as inpu=
t to a one way hash function in order to deterministically derive a BIP32 s=
eed. The motivation behind mnemonic phrases was to make it easier for human=
s to backup and store offline. There are also other variations of this them=
e.
>
> The initial motivation of BIP32 was to make handling of large numbers of =
private keys easier to manage and backup, since you only need one BIP32 see=
d to cover all possible keys in the keychain. In practice however, due to v=
arious wallet implementations and security models, the average user may be =
faced with the need to handle an ever growing number of seeds/mnemonics. Th=
is is due to incompatible wallet standards, hardware wallets (HWW), seed fo=
rmats and standards, as well as, the need to used a mix of hot and cold wal=
lets depending on the application and environment.
>
> Examples would span wallets on mobile phones, online servers running prot=
ocols like Join Market or Lightning, and the difference between Electrum an=
d BIP39 mnemonic seed formats. The reference implementation of Bitcoin Core=
 uses BIP32, while other cryptocurrencies like Monero use different mnemoni=
c encoding schemes.
>
> We must also consider the different variety of physical backups including=
 paper, metal and other physical storage devices, as well as the potentiall=
y splitting backups across different geographical locations. This complexit=
y may result in less care being taken with subsequently generated seeds for=
 new wallets need to be stored and it ultimately results in less security. =
In reality, the idea of having "one seed for all" has proven to be more dif=
ficult in practice than originally thought.
>
> Since all these derivation schemes are deterministic based on some initia=
l entropy, this proposal aims to solve the above problems by detailing a wa=
y to deterministically derive the initial entropy used for new root keychai=
ns using a single BIP32 style "master root key". This will allow one root k=
ey or mnemonic to derive any variety of different root keychains in whateve=
r format is required (like BIP32 and BIP39 etc).
>
> =3D=3DSpecification=3D=3D
>
> Input starts with a BIP32 seed. Derivation scheme uses the format `m/8369=
6968'/type'/index'` where `type` is the final seed type, and `index` in the=
 key index of the hardened child private key.
>
> type
>
> bits
>
> output
>
> 0
>
> 128
>
> 12 word BIP39 mnemonic
>
> 1
>
> 256
>
> 24 word BIP39 mnemonic
>
> 2
>
> 128
>
> 12 word Electrum mnemonic
>
> 3
>
> 256
>
> 24 word Electrum mnemonic
>
> 4
>
> 256
>
> WIF for Bitcoin Core
>
> 5
>
> 256
>
> 25 word Monero mnemonic
>
> Entropy is calculated from the HMAC-SHA512(key=3Dk, msg=3D'bip-entropy-fr=
om-bip32') of the derived 32 byte private key (k). Entropy is taken from th=
e result according to the number of bits required. This entropy can then be=
 used as input to derive a mnemonic, wallet etc according to the`type` spec=
ified.
>
> =3D=3DCompatibility=3D=3D
>
> In order to maintain the widest compatibility, the input to this function=
 is a BIP32 seed, which may or may not have been derived from a BIP39 like =
mnemonic scheme. This maintains the original motivation that one backup can=
 store any and all child derivation schemes depending on the user's prefere=
nce or hardware signing devices. For example, devices that store the HD see=
d as a BIP39 mnemonic, Electrum seed, or BIP32 root key would all be able t=
o implement this standard.
>
> =3D=3DDiscussion=3D=3D
>
> This proposal could be split into multiple discrete BIPs in the same way =
that BIP32 described the derivation mechanics, BIP39 the input encoding wit=
h mnemonics, and the derivation paths like BIP44, BIP49 and BIP84. This has=
 been avoided to reduce complexity. The resulting private key processed wit=
h HMAC-SHA512 and truncated as necessary. HMAC-SHA512 was chosen because it=
 may have better compatibility in embedded devices as it's already required=
 in devices supporting BIP32.
>
> =3D=3DTest Vectors=3D=3D
>
> =3D=3D=3DTest case 1=3D=3D=3D
>
> MASTER BIP39 SEED INPUT: angle fabric town envelope music diet bind emplo=
y giant era attitude exit final oval one finger decorate pair useless super=
 method float toddler dance
> MASTER BIP32 ROOT KEY: xprv9s21ZrQH143K2xNoceSiUtx8Wb8Fcrk9FUfzD3MLT4eFx5=
NbBuof9Mwrf7CCbfGJNehNRHvrXnWvy9FtWVaeNggsSKT57GNk7jpk1PRzZDp
> PATH: m/83696968'/0'/0'
> BITS REQUIRED: 128
>
> DERIVED CHILD WIF=3DL3cefeCHyo8jczVjckMxaiPBaPUunc3D8CsjRxYbYp3FhasGpsV3
> DERIVED CHILD k=3Dbed343b04ba0216d9eeebff0366b61c4179d90d44b61c716ef6d568=
836ba4d23
> CHILD ENTROPY=3D6458698fae3578b48a64124ea3514e12
> CONVERT ENTROPY TO WIF=3DKwDiBf89QgGbjEhKnhXJuH7T2Vv72UKQA8KRkmNwVFS2znAS=
5xb9
> CHILD BIP39 MNEMONIC=3Dgold select glue fragile fiscal fog civil liquid e=
xchange box fatal caught
> CHILD BIP39 SEED=3D2a2720e5590d4ec3140e51ba1b0b0a5183222c1668977c8a57572b=
0ea55d238cd8e899b3b1870e48894ca837e41e5d0db07554715efb21556fdde27f9f7ba153
> CHILD BIP32 ROOT KEY=3Dxprv9s21ZrQH143K2ZH5qacptquLGvcYpHSNeyFVCU8Ur4u9ko=
cajbBgcaCbHkGbwDsBR661H29F54j5mz14kwXbY9PZKdNRdjgRcGfshBK9XXb
>
> =3D=3D=3DTest case 2=3D=3D=3D
>
> MASTER BIP39 SEED INPUT: angle fabric town envelope music diet bind emplo=
y giant era attitude exit final oval one finger decorate pair useless super=
 method float toddler dance
> MASTER BIP32 ROOT KEY: xprv9s21ZrQH143K2xNoceSiUtx8Wb8Fcrk9FUfzD3MLT4eFx5=
NbBuof9Mwrf7CCbfGJNehNRHvrXnWvy9FtWVaeNggsSKT57GNk7jpk1PRzZDp
> PATH: m/83696968'/1'/0'
> BITS REQUIRED: 256
>
> DERIVED CHILD WIF=3DL1zCbtnDWUN4vJA3De4sxmJnoRim57CQUuBb4KBoRNs2EMEq2Brg
> DERIVED CHILD k=3D8e3ca6054a6303f4a6a1bcbda6134c9802f4f0a0d76b0ee6b69b06b=
1e80b2192
> CHILD ENTROPY=3Dec4e2f7e2c3fca9a34fa29747bf8ba0ab7f05136f37e134e2457e9e53=
639670b
> CONVERT ENTROPY TO WIF=3DL594JSCygt2wBaB9mCpXjiLkkxkEojpBdNXG8UrrdLd2LvPB=
RMUs
> CHILD BIP39 MNEMONIC=3Dunable imitate test flash witness escape stadium e=
arly inner thank company betray lecture chuckle swift hurt battle illness b=
icycle stable fat bronze order high
> CHILD BIP39 SEED=3D73509b0e847ee66bddeb098a55063d73e8c6dd5f1c1db6969c668b=
b54c19bde6eae8acc29a81118d1d9719fa1bc620fee7edd7c15a17bcaf70b0fdfc0c0c3803
> CHILD BIP32 ROOT KEY=3Dxprv9s21ZrQH143K4PfLyyjYLVmKbnUTNFK6Y7jPKWfRZB3iSw=
1Gy9qowEzkYHfetVabfmjHEEPrcTJbh7chae33Sm9uAjuXzhSL6Li8dcwM9Bm
>
> =3D=3D=3DTest case 3=3D=3D=3D
>
> MASTER BIP39 SEED INPUT: angle fabric town envelope music diet bind emplo=
y giant era attitude exit final oval one finger decorate pair useless super=
 method float toddler dance
> MASTER BIP32 ROOT KEY: xprv9s21ZrQH143K2xNoceSiUtx8Wb8Fcrk9FUfzD3MLT4eFx5=
NbBuof9Mwrf7CCbfGJNehNRHvrXnWvy9FtWVaeNggsSKT57GNk7jpk1PRzZDp
> PATH: m/83696968'/4'/0'
> BITS REQUIRED: 256
>
> DERIVED CHILD WIF=3DKwdD5PYnCU3xQDfFJ6XBf6UDaLrTUxrKmBpdjRuuavWyqAQtpaA2
> DERIVED CHILD k=3D0c169ce2c17bea08512a7519769e365242a1562bd63c4c903daef51=
6000efbf2
> CHILD ENTROPY=3D25573247f8a76799f7abc086b9286b5a7ccb03cb8d3550f48ac1e71d9=
0832974
> CONVERT ENTROPY TO WIF=3DKxUJ8VzMk7uWDEcwYjLRzRMGE6sSpwCfQxkE9GEwAvXhFSDN=
ba9G
> CHILD BIP39 MNEMONIC=3Dcensus ridge music vanish island smooth team job m=
ammal sing bracket reject smile limit comfort pluck extend picture race sod=
a suit dose place obtain
> CHILD BIP39 SEED=3D4e5c82be6455ecf0884d9475435e29a9afb9acf70b07296d7e5039=
c866e4d54647706918b9d14909dfbd7071a4b7aee8a4ad0ac2bf48f0a09a8899dd28564418
> CHILD BIP32 ROOT KEY=3Dxprv9s21ZrQH143K2kekJsK9V6t4ZKwHkY1Q3umxuaAhdZKGxC=
MpHiddLdYUQBoynszpwnk5upoC788LiT5MZ5q1vUABXG7AMyZK5UjD9iyL7Am
>
> =3D=3DReferences=3D=3D
>
> BIP32, BIP39
>
> =3D=3DCopyright=3D=3D
>
> This BIP is dual-licensed under the Open Publication License and BSD 2-cl=
ause license.
>
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