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On 6/11/25 12:50 PM, James O'Beirne wrote:
> Greg,
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> > Just noting that the "what is the ultimatum" section is still a
> > standing question
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> I think this is outside the scope of the letter and this discussion -
> different cosigners will have different ideas about what should happen
> if another 6 months goes by without a serious attempt at review and
> integration. We'll cross that bridge when/if we come to it.
What a wonderful way to discourage people from working with you in the strongest possible way.
Starting with vague threats is quite a strategy.
Matt
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