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On 25 May 2013 10:53, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:25:35 AM Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> > It might be an idea to have 'rule change' fixes and 'bug fix' releases go
> > out separately
>
> Bitcoin is a consensus system. You can't run clients with different rules
> on
> the same blockchain/network - it just won't work! Maybe we're now talking
> about mere client default policies? In which case, you should be able to
> configure previous behaviour...
>
[[ Not wishing to stray too far off topic ]]
I think you are perhaps underestimating the effect of 'mere' default
policies.
It would be nice to think that every node was a free thinking individual
that is motivated to vote with their feet, but in practice most people dont
have time.
There is research showing that 80% of users tend to accept defaults.
Rule changes and changing defaults would seem to be things worth weighing.
Bug fixes hopefully should be fairly unanimous. Of course a grey area
exists in between.
>
> If you want just bug fixes and rule changes, without policy default
> changes,
> new features, etc, you can use the 0.4.x - 0.7.x backports. But be advised
> these are short-term solutions and won't be maintained forever - so you
> really
> should try to get the behaviour you want from the current release. If you
> can't for some reason, please do report a bug explaining what it is the
> older
> version was capable of that the new one isn't!
>
> Luke
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 25 May 2013 10:53, Luke-Jr <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail=
to:luke@dashjr.org" target=3D"_blank">luke@dashjr.org</a>></span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:25:35 AM Melvin Carvalho wrot=
e:<br>
> It might be an idea to have 'rule change' fixes and 'bug f=
ix' releases go<br>
> out separately<br>
<br>
</div>Bitcoin is a consensus system. You can't run clients with differe=
nt rules on<br>
the same blockchain/network - it just won't work! Maybe we're now t=
alking<br>
about mere client default policies? In which case, you should be able to<br=
>
configure previous behaviour...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>[[ Not =
wishing to stray too far off topic ]]<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think =
you are perhaps underestimating the effect of 'mere' default polici=
es.=A0 <br>
<br></div><div>It would be nice to think that every node was a free thinkin=
g individual that is motivated to vote with their feet, but in practice mos=
t people dont have time.<br></div><div><br>There is research showing that 8=
0% of users tend to accept defaults.<br>
<br></div><div>Rule changes and changing defaults would seem to be things w=
orth weighing.=A0 Bug fixes hopefully should be fairly unanimous.=A0 Of cou=
rse a grey area exists in between.<br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<br>
If you want just bug fixes and rule changes, without policy default changes=
,<br>
new features, etc, you can use the 0.4.x - 0.7.x backports. But be advised<=
br>
these are short-term solutions and won't be maintained forever - so you=
really<br>
should try to get the behaviour you want from the current release. If you<b=
r>
can't for some reason, please do report a bug explaining what it is the=
older<br>
version was capable of that the new one isn't!<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Luke<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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