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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Relax OP_RETURN standardness restrictions
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On Fri, May 02, 2025 at 12:04:13PM -0700, /dev /fd0 wrote:
> Config `mempoolfullrbf` was added in July 2022:
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25353
> It was made default in August 2024:
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30493
> Option was removed in November 2024:
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/30592
>
> `datacarrier` and `datacarriersize` already exist, so why is it a big deal
> to remove them after a few months of monitoring the usage with stats?
The `mempoolfullrbf` option was a good example of how keeping an option
to reject otherwise standard transactions is just wasted effort. Having
the option didn't stop full-rbf replacements from getting mined; user's
refusing to relay a transaction type that a significant % of miners are
mining acomplishes nothing.
In that *specific* case there were a tiny number of users, Wasabi's
Coordinator being an example, where for technical reasons full-rbf
replacements caused problems until that code was fixed; giving those
users an option to temporarily disable those replacements was sort of
useful. But there's no reason to think that will be true with OP_Return
outputs, and in any case, you can just delaying upgrading your node
while you fix your broken code.
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