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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 14:14 Michael Folkson <michaelfolkson@protonmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jorge
>
> > Since this has meetings like taproot, it seems it's going to end up
> being added in bitcoin core no matter what.
>
> Anyone can set up a IRC channel, anyone can organize a IRC meeting, anyon=
e
> can announce meetings on the mailing list. Just because an individual is
> enthusiastic for a soft fork proposal does not imply it has community
> consensus or that it is likely to be merged into Core in the short term o=
r
> long term. It is true that other soft fork proposal authors/contributors
> are not taking the approach Jeremy is taking and are instead working
> quietly in the background. I prefer the latter approach so soon after
> Taproot activation but I look forward to hearing about the progress made =
on
> other proposals in due course.
>

I hope you're right and not every proposal that gets to have a meeting gets
deployed.

> Should we start the conversation on how to resist it when that happens?
> We should talk more about activation mechanisms and how users should be
> able to actively resist them more.
>
> I can only speak for myself but if activation was being pursued for a sof=
t
> fork that didn't have community consensus I would seek to join you in an
> effort to resist that activation. Taproot (pre-activation discussion) set=
 a
> strong precedent in terms of community outreach and patiently building
> community consensus over many years. If that precedent was thrown out I
> think we are in danger of creating the chaos that most of us would seek t=
o
> avoid. You are free to start whatever conversation you want but personall=
y
> until Jeremy or whoever else embarks on an activation attempt I'd rather
> forget about activation discussions for a while.
>

I strongly disagree taproot set a strong precedent in terms of listening to
criticism and looking for consensus. Lots of legitimate criticisms seemed
to be simply ignored.
I really think it set a bad preference, even if taproot as deployed is
good, which I'm not sure about.

> What is ST? If it may be a reason to oppose CTV, why not talk about it
> more explicitly so that others can understand the criticisms?
>
> ST is short for Speedy Trial, the activation mechanism used for Taproot. =
I
> have implored people on many occasions now to not mix discussion of a sof=
t
> fork proposal with discussion of an activation mechanism. Those discussio=
ns
> can happen in parallel but they are entirely independent topics of
> discussion. Mixing them is misleading at best and manipulative at worst.
>

Thanks. Yes, those topics were ignored before "let's focus on the proposal
first" and afterwards "let's just deploy this and we can discuss this in
more detail for the next proposal".
And I thonk lots of valid criticism was ignored and disregarded.


> It seems that criticism isn't really that welcomed and is just explained
> away.
> Perhaps it is just my subjective perception. Sometimes it feels we're
> going from "don't trust, verify" to "just trust jeremy rubin", i hope thi=
s
> is really just my subjective perception. Because I think it would be real=
ly
> bad that we started to blindly trust people like that, and specially jere=
my.
>
> I think we should generally avoid getting personal on this mailing list.
> However, although I agree that Jeremy has done some things in the past th=
at
> have been over-exuberant to put it mildly, as long as he listens to
> community feedback and doesn't try to force through a contentious soft fo=
rk
> earlier than the community is comfortable with I think his work can add
> material value to the future soft fork discussion. I entirely agree that =
we
> can't get into a situation where any one individual can push through a so=
ft
> fork without getting community consensus and deep technical review from a=
s
> many qualified people as possible. That can take a long time (the demands
> on long term contributors' time are vast) and hence anyone without seriou=
s
> levels of patience should probably exclusively work on sidechains, altcoi=
ns
> etc (or non-consensus changes in Bitcoin) rather than Bitcoin consensus
> changes.
>

You're right, we shouldn't get personal. We shouldn't ignore feedback from
me, mark friedenbach or luke just because of who it comes from.
I don't think jeremy listens to feedback, judging from taproot activation
discussions, I felt very much ignores by him and others. Luke was usually
ignored. Mark criticisms on taproot, not the activation itself, seemed to
be ignored as well. I mean, if somebody refuted his concerns somewhere, I
missed it.
But even if I believe jremey has malicious intentions and doesn't listen to
the community, you're still right, we shouldn't get personal. I shoud
assume the same malevolent intentions I assume jeremy has from everyone
else.

Thanks
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael Folkson
> Email: michaelfolkson at protonmail.com
> Keybase: michaelfolkson
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>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Wednesday, March 9th, 2022 at 11:02 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-d=
ev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Since this has meetings like taproot, it seems it's going to end up being
> added in bitcoin core no matter what.
>
> Should we start the conversation on how to resist it when that happens?
> We should talk more about activation mechanisms and how users should be
> able to actively resist them more.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 03:32 Jeremy Rubin via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> * Tuesday, March 8th.
>>
>> I think Noon PT =3D=3D 8pm UTC?
>>
>> but dont trust me i cant even tell what day is what.
>> --
>> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 6:50 PM Jeremy Rubin <jeremy.l.rubin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> There will be a CTV meeting tomorrow at noon PT. Agenda below:
>>>
>>> 1) Sapio Taproot Support Update / Request for Review (20 Minutes)
>>> - Experimental support for Taproot merged on master
>>> https://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio
>>> 2) Transaction Sponsoring v.s CPFP/RBF (20 Minutes)
>>> -
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-February/0=
19879.html
>>> -
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2020-September/=
018168.html
>>> 3) Jamesob's Non-Recursive Vaults Post (20 minutes)
>>> -
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-March/0200=
67.html
>>> 4) What the heck is everyone talking about on the mailing list all of
>>> the sudden (30 minutes)
>>> - EVICT, TLUV, FOLD, Lisp, OP_ANNEX, Drivechain Covenants, Jets, Etc
>>> 5) Q&A (30 mins)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>>>
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>>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 14:14 Michael Folkson &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:michaelfolkson@protonmail.com">michaelfolkson@protonmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial;font-size:14px">Hi Jorge</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font=
-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px">&gt;=
=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;=
Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quo=
t;,sans-serif;display:inline!important">Since this has meetings like taproo=
t, it seems it&#39;s going to end up being added in bitcoin core no matter =
what.</span></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,=
Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;d=
isplay:inline!important"><br></span></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;f=
ont-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quo=
t;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inline!important">Anyone can set up a IRC ch=
annel, anyone can organize a IRC meeting, anyone can announce meetings on t=
he mailing list. Just because an individual is enthusiastic for a soft fork=
 proposal does not imply it has community consensus or that it is likely to=
 be merged into Core in the short term or long term. It is true that other =
soft fork proposal authors/contributors are not taking the approach Jeremy =
is taking and are instead working quietly in the background. I prefer the l=
atter approach so soon after Taproot activation but I look forward to heari=
ng about the progress made on other proposals in due course.=C2=A0</span></=
div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I hope you&#39;re right and not every proposal that gets to have a meeting =
gets deployed.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system=
-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;He=
lvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inline!important">&gt;=C2=A0<span dir=
=3D"auto">Should we start the conversation on how to resist it when that ha=
ppens?</span><br><span dir=3D"auto">We should talk more about activation me=
chanisms and how users should be able to actively resist them more.</span><=
/span></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"=
font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto=
,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display=
:inline!important"><span dir=3D"auto"><br></span></span></div><div style=3D=
"font-size:14px"><font face=3D"-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI, Roboto, =
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif">I can only spea=
k for myself but if activation was being pursued for a soft fork that didn&=
#39;t have community consensus I would seek to join you in an effort to res=
ist that activation. Taproot (pre-activation discussion) set a strong prece=
dent in terms of community outreach and patiently building community consen=
sus over many years. If that precedent was thrown out I think we are in dan=
ger of creating the chaos that most of us would seek to avoid. You are free=
 to start whatever conversation you want but personally until Jeremy or who=
ever else embarks on an activation attempt I&#39;d rather forget about acti=
vation discussions for a while.</font></div></blockquote></div></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I strongly disagree taproot set a s=
trong precedent in terms of listening to criticism and looking for consensu=
s. Lots of legitimate criticisms seemed to be simply ignored.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">I really think it set a bad preference, even if taproot as deploy=
ed is good, which I&#39;m not sure about.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-family=
:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-San=
s,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inline!imp=
ortant"><span dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"display:inline!important">&gt; Wh=
at is ST? If it may be a reason to oppose CTV, why not talk about it more e=
xplicitly so that others can understand the criticisms?</span></span></span=
></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-=
family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxyg=
en-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inli=
ne!important"><span dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"display:inline!important"><=
br></span></span></span></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14p=
x"><span style=3D"font-family:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Seg=
oe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,=
sans-serif;display:inline!important"><span dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"disp=
lay:inline!important">ST is short for Speedy Trial, the activation mechanis=
m used for Taproot. I have implored people on many occasions now to not mix=
 discussion of a soft fork proposal with discussion of an activation mechan=
ism. Those discussions can happen in parallel but they are entirely indepen=
dent topics of discussion. Mixing them is misleading at best and manipulati=
ve at worst.</span></span></span></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks. Yes, those topics were ignored b=
efore &quot;let&#39;s focus on the proposal first&quot; and afterwards &quo=
t;let&#39;s just deploy this and we can discuss this in more detail for the=
 next proposal&quot;.</div><div dir=3D"auto">And I thonk lots of valid crit=
icism was ignored and disregarded.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:-apple-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-=
Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif">&gt; It seems =
that criticism isn&#39;t really that welcomed and is just explained away.</=
span></div><div style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-family:-apple-=
system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu=
,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inline!important">=
<span dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Perhaps it is just my subjective perce=
ption. Sometimes it feels we&#39;re going from &quot;don&#39;t trust, verif=
y&quot; to &quot;just trust jeremy rubin&quot;, i hope this is really just =
my subjective perception. Because I think it would be really bad that we st=
arted to blindly trust people like that, and specially jeremy.</div></span>=
</span></div><div style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-family:-appl=
e-system,&quot;system-ui&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubun=
tu,Cantarell,&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,sans-serif;display:inline!important=
"><span dir=3D"auto"><span dir=3D"auto"><br></span></span></span></div><div=
 style=3D"font-size:14px"><font face=3D"-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI,=
 Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif">I thin=
k we should generally avoid getting personal on this mailing list. However,=
 although I agree that Jeremy has done some things in the past that have be=
en over-exuberant to put it mildly, as long as he listens to community feed=
back and doesn&#39;t try to force through a contentious soft fork earlier t=
han the community is comfortable with I think his work can add material val=
ue to the future soft fork discussion. I entirely agree that we can&#39;t g=
et into a situation where any one individual can push through a soft fork w=
ithout getting community consensus and deep technical review from as many q=
ualified people as possible. That can take a long time (the demands on long=
 term contributors&#39; time are vast) and hence anyone without serious lev=
els of patience should probably exclusively work on sidechains, altcoins et=
c (or non-consensus changes in Bitcoin) rather than Bitcoin consensus chang=
es.</font></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">You&#39;re right, we shouldn&#39;t get personal. We shouldn&#39=
;t ignore feedback from me, mark friedenbach or luke just because of who it=
 comes from.</div><div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t think jeremy listens to fee=
dback, judging from taproot activation discussions, I felt very much ignore=
s by him and others. Luke was usually ignored. Mark criticisms on taproot, =
not the activation itself, seemed to be ignored as well. I mean, if somebod=
y refuted his concerns somewhere, I missed it.</div><div dir=3D"auto">But e=
ven if I believe jremey has malicious intentions and doesn&#39;t listen to =
the community, you&#39;re still right, we shouldn&#39;t get personal. I sho=
ud assume the same malevolent intentions I assume jeremy has from everyone =
else.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=
=3D"font-size:14px"><font face=3D"-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI, Robot=
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, Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-se=
rif">Michael</font></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><b=
r></div>
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        <div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(38,42,51);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;back=
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t-family:&#39;SFMono-Regular&#39;,Consolas,&#39;Liberation Mono&#39;,Menlo,=
monospace,monospace"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">--<br>Michael Folkson<b=
r>Email: michaelfolkson at </span></span></span><a href=3D"http://protonmai=
l.com/" style=3D"line-height:normal;text-decoration:underline;font-family:&=
#39;SFMono-Regular&#39;,Consolas,&#39;Liberation Mono&#39;,Menlo,monospace,=
monospace;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing=
:0px" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">protonmail.c=
om</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(38,42,51);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;=
letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-w=
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nline"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;SFMono-Regular&#39;,Consolas,&#39;Li=
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:14px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(38,42,51);font-style:normal;font-weight:400=
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inline"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;SFMono-Regular&#39;,Consolas,&#39;L=
iberation Mono&#39;,Menlo,monospace,monospace"><span style=3D"font-size:14p=
x">Keybase: michaelfolkson<br>PGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D40 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 =
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        ------- Original Message -------<br>
        On Wednesday, March 9th, 2022 at 11:02 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bit=
coin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br><br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div dir=3D"auto">Since this has meetings like taproot, it seem=
s it&#39;s going to end up being added in bitcoin core no matter what.<div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Should we start the conversation o=
n how to resist it when that happens?</div><div dir=3D"auto">We should talk=
 more about activation mechanisms and how users should be able to actively =
resist them more.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 03:=
32 Jeremy Rubin via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.lin=
uxfoundation.org" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000" class=3D"gmail_default=
">* Tuesday, March 8th.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#00=
0000" class=3D"gmail_default">I think Noon PT =3D=3D 8pm UTC?</div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"=
 class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000" class=3D"gmail_default">but don=
t trust me i cant even tell what day is what.</div><div><div data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">--<br><a rel=3D"noreferre=
r nofollow noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">@JeremyRubin</a><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 7, 20=
22 at 6:50 PM Jeremy Rubin &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener noref=
errer" href=3D"mailto:jeremy.l.rubin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeremy.l.=
rubin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:=
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Hi all,</div><div style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_=
default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">There will be a CTV =
meeting tomorrow at noon PT. Agenda below:</div><div style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_=
default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_=
default">1) Sapio Taproot Support Update / Request for Review (20 Minutes)<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default">    - Experimental support for Taproot me=
rged on master <a rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" href=3D"h=
ttps://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/sa=
pio-lang/sapio</a></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">2) Transa=
ction Sponsoring v.s CPFP/RBF (20 Minutes)</div><div style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_=
default">    - <a rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" href=3D"h=
ttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-February/019879=
.html" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoi=
n-dev/2022-February/019879.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default=
">    - <a rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://=
lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2020-September/018168.html"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/=
2020-September/018168.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">3) =
Jamesob&#39;s Non-Recursive Vaults Post (20 minutes)<br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" c=
lass=3D"gmail_default">    - <a rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow noopener norefer=
rer" href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-M=
arch/020067.html" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/piper=
mail/bitcoin-dev/2022-March/020067.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail=
_default">4) What the heck is everyone talking about on the mailing list al=
l of the sudden (30 minutes)</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">    -=
 EVICT, TLUV, FOLD, Lisp, OP_ANNEX, Drivechain Covenants, Jets, Etc</div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rg=
b(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">5) Q&amp;A (30 mins)</div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default">Best,</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail=
_default">Jeremy</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><br cle=
ar=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">--<br><a rel=3D"noreferre=
r nofollow noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">@JeremyRubin</a><br></div></div></div></div>
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