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Hi floppy disk guy, thanks for prompting me to look closer at Nostr,
it's very interesting. 

I hope that whatever solution is chosen doesn't involve handing power
over to a centralized entity that wants collect as much information on
every living person as possible, and lock everyone and everything into
using it's services forever.

On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 18:51 +0000, alicexbt wrote:
> Hi Overthefalls,
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> Using google for bitcoin mailing list is not good. It feels
> embarrassing that some developers that built and maintained the only
> decentralized network used to settle uncensored payments and some of
> them even working on nostr, can't build their own mailing list which
> is better than present mailing list. I have some ideas but it seems
> the influential developers have already decided and wont accept
> anything.
> 
> Nostr can be used to build a mailing list which also allows anyone to
> send emails apart from publishing events from different clients. We
> just need a new NIP so that nostr relays understand its a different
> event. There can be multiple front end with different levels of
> moderation to hide some emails and ultimately one will be used the
> most. It can use multiple relays and relays share some information in
> NIP 11 which can include an email address.
> 
> 
> /dev/fd0
> floppy disk guy
> 
> 
> 
>     
>         
>             
>     
>             
>         Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>     
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         On Monday, November 13th, 2023 at 8:35 PM, Overthefalls via
> bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>         
> >             On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via
> > bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > > Google Groups is another interesting option, 
> > 
> > I don't think I'm the only person on this list that is strongly
> > opposed to using google for anything. They are too big and they
> > have their hand in everything, and their eyes (and analytics) on
> > everything.
> > I remember when there were virtually no gmail email addresses that
> > posted to this list. Suddenly in 2020 or 2021, we had an influx of
> > gmail subscribers and posters. That didn't escape me then and it is
> > not lost on me now. 
> > Email is great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact
> > that everyone gets a copy of the data, there is no single central
> > authority that can edit emails once they have been sent out. Anyone
> > can archive email messages, they can generally store or publish the
> > data anywhere they like. That is not the case with web forum
> > content. 
> > I like the lightning anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to
> > finally adopt lightning, and it would, I'm sure, produce some
> > interesting results for the list. 
> > I don't think email should be out of the question. Does anyone
> > besides kanzure@gmail.com think that sticking with email is out of
> > the question?
> > Let's do what's necessary to stick with email. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         
> 
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<html dir=3D"ltr"><head></head><body style=3D"text-align:left; direction:lt=
r;"><div>Hi floppy disk guy, thanks for prompting me to look closer at Nost=
r, it's very interesting. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope that whatever so=
lution is chosen doesn't involve handing power over to a centralized entity=
 that wants collect as much information on every living person as possible,=
 and lock everyone and everything into using it's services forever.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 18:51 +0000, alicexb=
t wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-=
left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255=
, 255, 255);">Hi&nbsp;<span>Overthefalls,</span></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-c=
olor: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"font-family=
: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color=
: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span>+1</span></div><div style=3D"font-family: Aria=
l, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(=
255, 255, 255);"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"background-color: rgb=
(255, 255, 255);"><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif">Using google for bitcoin=
 mailing list is not good. It feels embarrassing&nbsp;that some developers =
that built and maintained the only decentralized network used to settle unc=
ensored payments and some of them even working on nostr, can't build their =
own mailing list which is better than present mailing list. I have some ide=
as but it seems the influential developers have already decided and wont ac=
cept anything.<br><br>Nostr can be used to build a mailing list which also =
allows anyone to send emails apart from publishing events from different cl=
ients. We just need a new NIP so that nostr relays understand its a differe=
nt event. There can be multiple front end with different levels of moderati=
on to hide some emails and ultimately one will be used the most. It can use=
 multiple relays and relays share some information in NIP 11 which can incl=
ude an email address.</font></div><div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255);"><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style=3D=
"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font face=3D"Arial, sans-serif">/d=
ev/fd0</font></div><div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><fo=
nt face=3D"Arial, sans-serif">floppy disk guy</font></div><div style=3D"fon=
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        On Monday, November 13th, 2023 at 8:35 PM, Overthefalls via bitcoin=
-dev &lt;bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:<br><br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2=
px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div>On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoi=
n-dev wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; bor=
der-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex">Google Groups is another inter=
esting option, </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think I'm the only =
person on this list that is strongly opposed to using google for anything. =
They are too big and they have their hand in everything, and their eyes (an=
d analytics) on everything.</div><div><br></div><div>I remember when there =
were virtually no gmail email addresses that posted to this list. Suddenly =
in 2020 or 2021, we had an influx of gmail subscribers and posters. That di=
dn't escape me then and it is not lost on me now. </div><div><br></div><div=
>Email is great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that every=
one gets a copy of the data, there is no single central authority that can =
edit emails once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive email messages=
, they can generally store or publish the data anywhere they like. That is =
not the case with web forum content. </div><div><br></div><div>I like the l=
ightning anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to finally adopt light=
ning, and it would, I'm sure, produce some interesting results for the list=
. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't think email should be out of the questi=
on. Does anyone besides <a href=3D"mailto:kanzure@gmail.com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer nofollow noopener" target=3D"_blank">kanzure@gmail.com</a> think that s=
ticking with email is out of the question?</div><div><br></div><div>Let's d=
o what's necessary to stick with email. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div>

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