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Hello Troy,
I like the idea of the live mirrors. I'm personally just an amateur at=20
setting up e-mail servers, but the first concern I have is that everyone =
hosting a mirror may not necessarily use the same SMTP MTA. I personally =
use postfix, but I'm not sure what most people use.
Some other features I'd like to see required is PGP/MIME support and=20
ensuring that digital signatures are not broken by footers, etc.=20
appended to the bottom of the message by the list. It might be nice to=20
also allow for HTML messages?
Here is a link with some current statistics to get an idea what the load =
may be. I've been told there are about 1,200 subscribers.=20
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel
Andy Schroder
On 06/10/2015 02:02 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> I'll sponsor it, if we agree to implement a HashCash spam filter
> in the next 6 months. I've run mail servers for $DAYJOB for 5 or
> so years, and I've run my own personal server for the last 14.
>
> Since Bitcoin is a perfectly good HashCash system, I'm thinking a
> http://www.courier-mta.org/courierfilter.html filter plugin that
> checks to ensure that the required bitcoin fee has been paid, or
> better yet included in the message in some standard form.
>
> I'd like to have several other people with linux admin experience
> also agree to host live mirrors of the list, which could be switched
> over by whomever controls the relevant MX records for the mail list.
>
> What do you think a reasonable per-message fee should be, such that
> a couple of independent admins can reasonably expect to be able to
> pay $250/month each for their time and server hosting/bandwidth costs?
>
> I also think that anyone who's contributed more than say 10 or 15
> commits to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
> should be excluded from the pay-with-bitcoin filter, as they have
> paid with code. The rest of us should be paying to distribute and
> archive their efforts.
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:46:49PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote:
>> Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in
>> sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to
>> always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding a=
n
>> agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also
>> thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this=
>> cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list
>> subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays),=
>> as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their
>> messages, and at the same time limit spam.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Andy Schroder
>>
>> On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote:
>>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-softw=
are-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/
>>> All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sou=
rceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core rel=
ease announcements for a long time.
>>>
>>> No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The =
issue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people=
can't agree where to move to.
>>>
>>> Wladimir
>>>
>>>
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