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| author | Dave Scotese <dscotese@litmocracy.com> | 2015-09-19 18:26:48 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-09-20 01:26:51 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report
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H. Madore" <moonpunter@gmail.com> +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c26bb8a5e9a6052023a8b5 +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, + DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham + version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +Cc: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Bitcoin conference micro-report +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:26:51 -0000 + +--001a11c26bb8a5e9a6052023a8b5 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 + +phm got most of this, but... + +On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:53 PM, phm via bitcoin-dev < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: +> +> > +> > * Most governments can easily spend enough money to do a 51% attack, +> > especially if they can compel chip fabs to cooperate for free. +> > This attack works regardless of how decentralised Bitcoin is. +> > +> > * Any government can end Bitcoin usage in its territory by jailing +> > anyone who advertises acceptance/trading of bitcoins, or prices in +> > BTC. Because merchants /must/ advertise in order to alert +> > customers that trades in BTC are possible, this is an attack which +> > is unsolvable. If ordinary people can find such merchants so can +> > government agents. +> > +> +Pot is used as money, and they do jail people for it, but it doesn't have +the effect to which you refer. It has the opposite effect, partially +because it enriches suppliers. + +The 51% attack is a good point, but they would be taking a huge risk. +Ideas don't die, just people. For example, they got Ross Ulbricht, not DPR. + +Government is the group of people that does things that are not acceptable +if anyone else does them, and that is because people cheer for them when +they do those things, rather than pointing out that they are not +acceptable. The movie "The Deep Web" shows how bitcoin helps to turn this +misfortune around. + +--001a11c26bb8a5e9a6052023a8b5 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">phm got most of this, but...<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"= +><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:53 PM, phm via bi= +tcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfo= +undation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&g= +t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= + .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">Mike He= +arn via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br></span><span class=3D""><br> +><br> +</span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Most governments can easily spend enough money to= + do a 51% attack,<br> +<span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0especially if they can compel chip= + fabs to cooperate for free.<br> +>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This attack works regardless of how decentralised B= +itcoin is.<br> +><br> +</span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Any government can end Bitcoin usage in its terri= +tory by jailing<br> +<span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0anyone who advertises acceptance/t= +rading of bitcoins, or prices in<br> +</span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BTC. Because merchants /must/ advertise in o= +rder to alert<br> +<span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0customers that trades in BTC are p= +ossible, this is an attack which<br> +>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is unsolvable. If ordinary people can find such mer= +chants so can<br> +>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0government agents.<br>> <br></span></blockquote>= +<div>Pot is used as money, and they do jail people for it, but it doesn'= +;t have the effect to which you refer. It has the opposite effect, partiall= +y because it enriches suppliers.<br><br></div><div>The 51% attack is a good= + point, but they would be taking a huge risk.=C2=A0 Ideas don't die, ju= +st people.=C2=A0 For example, they got Ross Ulbricht, not DPR.<br><br></div= +><div>Government is the group of people that does things that are not accep= +table if anyone else does them, and that is because people cheer for them w= +hen they do those things, rather than pointing out that they are not accept= +able.=C2=A0 The movie "The Deep Web" shows how bitcoin helps to t= +urn this misfortune around.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div> + +--001a11c26bb8a5e9a6052023a8b5-- + |