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| author | Jorge Timón <jtimon@jtimon.cc> | 2015-02-22 04:25:32 +0100 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-02-22 03:25:42 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4
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Like it or not many use +> insecure 0-conf transactions for rapid payments. Deploying something +> that makes 0-conf transactions unusable would have a wide, negative +> impact on present day bitcoin payments, thus "scorched earth" + +And maybe by maintaining first seen policies we're harming the system +in the long term by encouraging people to widely deploy systems based +on extremely weak assumptions. + + |