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| author | Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com> | 2015-06-01 20:23:43 +0100 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-06-01 19:24:12 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
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diff --git a/e5/5d08b34860de18319bb84ff431b49a580d9fe2 b/e5/5d08b34860de18319bb84ff431b49a580d9fe2 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c34b01bc7 --- /dev/null +++ b/e5/5d08b34860de18319bb84ff431b49a580d9fe2 @@ -0,0 +1,243 @@ +Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] + helo=mx.sourceforge.net) + by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) + (envelope-from <btcdrak@gmail.com>) id 1YzVJk-00083r-4s + for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; + Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:24:12 +0000 +Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com + designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) + client-ip=209.85.212.181; envelope-from=btcdrak@gmail.com; + helo=mail-wi0-f181.google.com; +Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) + by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) + (Exim 4.76) id 1YzVJi-00035H-Lr + for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; + Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:24:12 +0000 +Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so38741115wib.1 + for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; + Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) +X-Received: by 10.180.106.6 with SMTP id gq6mr24052853wib.39.1433186644648; + Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT) +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Received: by 10.27.136.196 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:23:43 -0700 (PDT) +In-Reply-To: <CAEz79PqGJ5XSMUbWVQOQ6DjJqbqHmad6t37RUX9Zz=2k4HJK3Q@mail.gmail.com> +References: <BAY403-EAS318194A3B22E4C5D5FE559DC2B60@phx.gbl> + <CAEz79PqGJ5XSMUbWVQOQ6DjJqbqHmad6t37RUX9Zz=2k4HJK3Q@mail.gmail.com> +From: Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com> +Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 20:23:43 +0100 +Message-ID: <CADJgMzs55FpaGdn-30-wcZzs8=b4HZLHJyQaDxre00u404MCLQ@mail.gmail.com> +To: "Warren Togami Jr." <wtogami@gmail.com> +Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044519a5d9e9ff051779c4ed +X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) +X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. + See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. + 1.0 HK_RANDOM_FROM From username looks random + -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for + sender-domain + 0.6 HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM Envelope sender username looks random + 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider + (btcdrak[at]gmail.com) + -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record + 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message + -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from + author's domain + 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, + not necessarily valid + -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature +X-Headers-End: 1YzVJi-00035H-Lr +Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 +Precedence: list +List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, + <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:24:12 -0000 + +--f46d044519a5d9e9ff051779c4ed +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +I did wonder what the post actually meant, I recommend appending /s after +sarcasm so it's clear. Lots gets lost in text. But I agree with you btw his +response was not particularly tactful. + +On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com> wrote= +: + +> By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situation I had hoped +> people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive his statement +> was. I am sorry to those in the community if they misunderstood my post.= + I +> thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously belie= +ve +> particular participants should be excluded. +> +> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com> +> wrote: +> +>> Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the +>> companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they +>> can't mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation, b= +ut +>> don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're goin= +g +>> to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power, why wo= +uld +>> you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of +>> adopters wallets? Same thing. +>> ------------------------------ +>> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com> +>> Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM +>> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> +>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements +>> +>> Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on +>> forever regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent +>> "right" to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China +>> can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their +>> firewall *TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted +>> then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them. +>> +>> +>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote: +>> +>> Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever +>> regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" = +to +>> mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial +>> amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being +>> outcompeted then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them. +>> +>> But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a +>> node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or s= +o. +>> +>> +> +> +> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= +----- +> +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> + +--f46d044519a5d9e9ff051779c4ed +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">I did wonder = +what the post actually meant, I recommend appending /s after sarcasm so it&= +#39;s clear. Lots gets lost in text. But I agree with you btw his response = +was not particularly tactful.</span><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b= +r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Warren Togami = +Jr. <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_b= +lank">wtogami@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail= +_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:= +1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">By reversing Mike's language to the reality of th= +e situation I had hoped people would realize how abjectly ignorant and inse= +nsitive his statement was.=C2=A0 I am sorry to those in the community if th= +ey misunderstood my post. I thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm wher= +e I do not seriously believe particular participants should be excluded.<sp= +an class=3D""><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"= +>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= +=3D"mailto:thyshizzle@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">thyshizzle@outlook.com= +</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= +:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)= +;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> + + + +<div> +<div> +<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Doesn't me= +an you should build something that says "fuck you" to the compani= +es that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they can= +9;t mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisatio= +n, + but don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you&#= +39;re going to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing p= +ower, why would you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoi= +n out of adopters wallets? Same thing.</div> +</div> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<hr> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo= +ld">From: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre= +f=3D"mailto:wtogami@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Warren Togami Jr.</a></spa= +n><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo= +ld">Sent: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=E2=80= +=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM</span><span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo= +ld">Cc: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a hre= +f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">Bi= +tcoin Dev</a></span><br> +<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bo= +ld">Subject: +</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [B= +itcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements</span><br> +<br> +</span></div><div><div> +<div> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">Whils= +t it would be nice if miners +<strike>in</strike> <b>outside</b> China can carry on forever regardless of= + their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" to min= +e if they can't do the job - if miners +<strike>in</strike>=C2=A0<b>outside</b> China can't get the trivial amo= +unts of bandwidth required +<strike>through their firewall</strike> <b>TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE<= +/b> and end up being outcompeted then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry = +on without them.<br> +</blockquote> +</div> +<div><br> +<div>On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr"> +<<a href=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a= +>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-= +left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<div dir=3D"ltr"> +<div>Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regard= +less of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right"= + to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get th= +e trivial amounts of bandwidth + required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted then OK, too = +bad, we'll have to carry on without them.</div> +<div><br> +</div> +<div>But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run = +a node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so= +.</div> +</div> +</blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></d= +iv></span></div> +<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= +-------<br> +<br>_______________________________________________<br> +Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= +pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= +" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= +velopment</a><br> +<br></blockquote></div><br></div> + +--f46d044519a5d9e9ff051779c4ed-- + + |