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authorMark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>2017-09-29 08:22:14 -0700
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets
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+This is correct. Under assumptions of a continuous mempool model however thi=
+s should be considered the outlier behavior, other than a little bit of empt=
+y space at the end, now and then. A maximum fee rate calculated as a filter o=
+ver past block rates could constrain this outlier behavior from ever happeni=
+ng too.
+
+> On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:43 AM, Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail.com> wrote=
+:
+>=20
+> Maybe I'm getting this wrong but wouldn't this scheme imply that a miner i=
+s incentivized to limit the amount of transactions in a block to capture the=
+ maximum fee of the ones included?
+>=20
+> As an example, mined blocks currently carry ~0.8 btc in fees right now. If=
+ I were to submit a transaction paying 1 btc in maximal money fees, then the=
+ miner would be incentivized to include my transaction alone to avoid that l=
+ower fee paying transactions reduce the amount of fees he can earn from my t=
+ransaction alone. This would mean that I could literally clog the network by=
+ paying 1btc every ten minutes.
+>=20
+> Am I missing something?
+>=20
+> Daniele=20
+