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author | Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org> | 2017-09-29 08:22:14 -0700 |
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committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2017-09-29 15:22:18 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets
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+ ([2601:646:8080:1291:e45d:dd5d:7212:1e7c]) + by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id + y16sm6835943pfe.68.2017.09.29.08.22.14 + (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); + Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:22:15 -0700 (PDT) +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=us-ascii +Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) +From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org> +X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A402) +In-Reply-To: <CAEgR2PGrf+4pQRyNC_xKVEKXimKTWveGK9q6YJeZkG0_r=8tkg@mail.gmail.com> +Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:22:14 -0700 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Message-Id: <5F7A4F74-B108-4E30-A3F4-4125BBD0F819@friedenbach.org> +References: <CAEgR2PGCZ=F85yjAbZgC6NtzhpdgBL3n4M2jowN12wJ7x-Ai1A@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PGrxDQE0k8WX4XXz9GN-RAL6JB51ST9Hdz=ba36gRCa6A@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PFjt=ihzRBhNXbHTAJz1R+3vz8o-zRZkDA3iBo39x9cTQ@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PFfSjJjkTYq+DAmTzmkHPxqhn6fUDoXTzrRebz+OoUgqw@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PG5ZueHKDXbsPDEjQG7xAYBa_JAtPZo9n1V2=STC1srpA@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PGPQ1e9SmoWOS3V+N9v+OWiM4g3nPN3d9urc+DfkWEJ7A@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PEKkHH6+Sh8cQGF83-s1tpwQZgd0fiuNz_xyWu0mUPfCA@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PEyWFO1RFohVEpcb-M7aM-8xjCFvDPeJPD4zF4yTCyZ0A@mail.gmail.com> + <CAEgR2PGrf+4pQRyNC_xKVEKXimKTWveGK9q6YJeZkG0_r=8tkg@mail.gmail.com> +To: Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail.com> +X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, + MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:23:36 +0000 +Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:22:18 -0000 + +This is correct. Under assumptions of a continuous mempool model however thi= +s should be considered the outlier behavior, other than a little bit of empt= +y space at the end, now and then. A maximum fee rate calculated as a filter o= +ver past block rates could constrain this outlier behavior from ever happeni= +ng too. + +> On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:43 AM, Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail.com> wrote= +: +>=20 +> Maybe I'm getting this wrong but wouldn't this scheme imply that a miner i= +s incentivized to limit the amount of transactions in a block to capture the= + maximum fee of the ones included? +>=20 +> As an example, mined blocks currently carry ~0.8 btc in fees right now. If= + I were to submit a transaction paying 1 btc in maximal money fees, then the= + miner would be incentivized to include my transaction alone to avoid that l= +ower fee paying transactions reduce the amount of fees he can earn from my t= +ransaction alone. This would mean that I could literally clog the network by= + paying 1btc every ten minutes. +>=20 +> Am I missing something? +>=20 +> Daniele=20 + |