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author | Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> | 2022-06-19 06:31:38 -0400 |
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committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2022-06-19 10:31:47 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin covenants are inevitable
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charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:16:49PM +0000, alicexbt wrote: +> Hi Peter, +>=20 +> > Only because the block reward goes away. If it was made to continue +> > indefinitely - most likely with an inflation hard fork - demand for blo= +ck space +> > would not be critical to Bitcoin's security. +>=20 +>=20 +> I am not completely against your proposal although 100% sure this will no= +t have "consensus" to be implemented. I think if bitcoin doesn't have enoug= +h demand for block space, it should die. I will be sad if bitcoin doesn't e= +xist but it should be a lesson for all the people opposing soft forks based= + on drama and politics instead of technical review. +>=20 +> I don't see anything wrong with users paying 100x fees for opening and cl= +osing LN channels. + +The PoW security of Bitcoin benefits all Bitcoin users, proportional to the +value of BTC they hold; if Bitcoin blocks aren't reliably created the value= + of +*all* BTC goes down. It doesn't make sense for the entire cost of that secu= +rity +to be paid for on a per-tx basis. And there's a high chance paying for it o= +n a +per-tx basis won't work anyway due to lack of consistent demand. + +It would be extremely unfortunate if one of the very few decentralized ways= + to +store value died simply because we couldn't find a way to pay to keep it +secure. + +--=20 +https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org + +--96zmZgQ7LKx1mur2 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- + +iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEFcyURjhyM68BBPYTJIFAPaXwkfsFAmKu+wYACgkQJIFAPaXw +kfuTUQf+NhtRHS26QXBZ7rxcFFqWlUOGQ0GQQf5kQzC/XOoMq3KjD28K86R6NOJ7 +13XSQSfhyeQY/SLzM5OtuZogayb3lpoBmVrt+9eGn5iGIVOAGkK1nZJvbR4yanaF +GId/l/NyvakQt61aBQjUdwjfwRpLYwInZo7aff2zAoXk72kfcGKZ9THyeKFaUW1k +lqabWMOkrNZ3kCnGKruf0u1boEClNQRBekepgaD2zQgCeuFSk9j+LSdnM3dStvTr +Nub6uXUEUGCRGboM5+OCXxL/930PBTZO1bHm6kulHkm9qtWpaTn+48ch6/+NlqFj +9yV3x6OvRR5+5Lf2RN2ElcMN+I4qdQ== +=SkRW +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--96zmZgQ7LKx1mur2-- + |