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| author | Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> | 2015-07-23 18:28:25 -0700 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2015-07-24 01:28:30 +0000 |
| commit | 6e85488179e796c65b12ad20c467e6007a308bb5 (patch) | |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks
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+ protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 +X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 +From: Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <D7EE14EC-B36D-43F2-8CEC-B63443FBBCA8@me.com> +Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:28:25 -0700 +Message-Id: <0E15E07E-E21C-4541-869A-3C34CBA35774@gmail.com> +References: <CAPg+sBgs-ouEMu=LOVCmOyCGwfM1Ygxooz0shyvAuHDGGZYfJw@mail.gmail.com> + <CABm2gDq3JyZx0QCRDbcNSLSOBKdpi4h_7VN1XL8N42U38+eBAA@mail.gmail.com> + <55B113AF.40500@thinlink.com> + <CABsx9T1MTc-GmuQyFN1vaFK=CDWV_L214Pi9nR6jLMouQQD0fw@mail.gmail.com> + <C5A70F53-4779-457A-A06A-686877706F89@gmail.com> + <CADL_X_exckh5T2BfzPEp26fPR3TD69QarwroDEdS_9wtnKbf+g@mail.gmail.com> + <6F436293-9E2B-461C-B105-FC4CF9EBFC69@gmail.com> + <CADL_X_fs3-Zj-9nHu5HXCS=kNFUTJkrUR_8SL+d+M4ziwB66Jw@mail.gmail.com> + <CABm2gDqFe+_g5Mk=tXCD94x74pu6SiL+XHhMM-T3bBw78m3Mow@mail.gmail.com> + <D161F6BB-BFB1-4B9F-B024-D60A170F393C@gmail.com> + <CALqmWPC8PdSPS3chhnjBaTixrvvg0VrEaXzd3OvbXifkMs0DUw@mail.gmail.com> + <42BF7FEB-320F-43BE-B3D9-1D76CB8B9975@gmai> <l.com@mac.com> + <D472C05D-7164-4ED1-B571-94415AD8E60F@gmail.com> + <346D4CE0-E00D-4ABB-B131-EFA1416CB20C@me.com> + <29363BE6-72A7-4D06-A974-C52BA12FD8BD@gmail.com> + <55FFBC8F-A3C9-4109-89C7-AC359FBBD478@me.com> + <4734381C-2000-4D9B-9099-DDE3D38D64A3@me.com> + <DEF9C610-2FBC-40C1-9AFA-9E91903C7F96@petertodd.org> + <DFA3CCE4-52F7-4D63-8982-2EB133AB6EAA@me.com> + <B8F9DE4B-A8AA-490D-991B-11C28B2AA527@gmail.com> + <D7EE14EC-B36D-43F2-8CEC-B63443FBBCA8@me.com> +To: Jean-Paul Kogelman <jeanpaulkogelman@me.com> +X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, + DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, + RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on + smtp1.linux-foundation.org +Cc: Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks +X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> +List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> +List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> +List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> +List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, + <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> +X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:28:30 -0000 + + +--Apple-Mail=_7D23AA7C-B4C7-477B-AF76-01C7FAF66B10 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset=utf-8 + +I suppose you can use a timelocked output that is spendable by anyone = +you could go somewhat in this direction=E2=80=A6the thing is it still = +means the wallet must make fee estimations rather than being able to get = +a quick quote. + +> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman = +<jeanpaulkogelman@me.com> wrote: +>=20 +> I think implicit QoS is far simpler to implement, requires less = +parties and is closer to what Bitcoin started out as: a peer-to-peer = +digital cash system, not a peer-to-let-me-handle-that-for-you-to-peer = +system. +>=20 +> jp +>=20 +>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> = +wrote: +>>=20 +>> By using third parties separate from individual miners that do = +bidding on your behalf you get a mechanism that allows QoS guarantees = +and shifting the complexity and risk from the wallet with little = +computational resources to a service with abundance of them. Using = +timelocked contracts it=E2=80=99s possible to enforce the guarantees. +>>=20 +>> Negotiating directly with miners via smart contracts seems difficult = +at best. +>>=20 +>>=20 +>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman via bitcoin-dev = +<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +>>>=20 +>>> Doesn't matter. +>>>=20 +>>> It's not going to be perfect given the block time variance among = +other factors but it's far more workable than guessing whether or not = +your transaction is going to end up in a block at all. +>>>=20 +>>> jp +>>>=20 +>>>=20 +>>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote: +>>>>=20 +>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +>>>> Hash: SHA256 +>>>>=20 +>>>>=20 +>>>>=20 +>>>>> On 23 July 2015 20:49:20 GMT-04:00, Jean-Paul Kogelman via = +bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: +>>>>>=20 +>>>>> And it's obvious how a size cap would interfere with such a QoS = +scheme. +>>>>> Miners wouldn't be able to deliver the below guarantees if they = +have to +>>>>> start excluding transactions. +>>>>=20 +>>>> As mining is a random, poisson process, obviously giving guarantees = +without a majority of hashing power isn't possible. +>>>>=20 +>>>>=20 +>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +>>>>=20 +>>>> iQE9BAEBCAAnIBxQZXRlciBUb2RkIDxwZXRlQHBldGVydG9kZC5vcmc+BQJVsYyK +>>>> AAoJEMCF8hzn9Lnc47AH/28WlecQLb37CiJpcvXO9tC4zqYEodurtB9nBHTSJrug +>>>> VIEXZW53pSTdd3vv2qpGIlHxuYP8QmDSATztwQLuN6XWEszz7TO8MXBfLxKqZyGu +>>>> i83WqSGjMAfwqjl0xR1G7PJgt4+E+0vaAFZc98vLCgZnedbiXRVtTGjhofG1jjTc +>>>> DFMwMZHP0eqWTwtWwqUvnA7PTFHxdqoJruY/t1KceN+JDbBCJWMxBDswU64FXcVH +>>>> 0ecsk9nhLMyylBX/2v4HjCXyayocH8jQ+FpLSP0xxERyS+f1npFX9cxFMq24uXqn +>>>> PcnZfLfaSJ6gMbmhbYG5wYDKN3u732j7dLzSJnMW6jk=3D +>>>> =3DLY1+ +>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +>>> _______________________________________________ +>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list +>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +>>=20 + + +--Apple-Mail=_7D23AA7C-B4C7-477B-AF76-01C7FAF66B10 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Content-Disposition: attachment; + filename=signature.asc +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; + name=signature.asc +Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org + +iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVsZS5AAoJEJNAI64YFENUh4cP/RtbVPiuTxKq0pD7Pwt9pX1G +d+XdffXQbWvc/0FPplcBYsGYJjc4uOyeeN5Q4EO77MgYdN41uTP5lpj+yJpq/XgP +Dy6eGhVih5Rw51cIYHj3myGNNc8B6UudC7PNnE4iV3YluyFnIyIMqo+KiFesgP/K +su8dVs2BQ1RA9X9jMGZNwIMtlqaDQSn2Mb4SEDYtN0SKLgiwjl/Ike1Pjk6ypX4a +gcz9vc3u69X0YOMWmU2tLtuWM7fVOud54qIUyu2kYQKd6HtphatxWJU3tPE5DQyp +MGEQ22sqHH0suDOtu6bIKtFupNWGuuiBnugFSUii2L312J1Y5qLewLvqLjY8JkQY +PiB+60cb7BYDW3/lRMzQR7Rt+RKFewZJDgt5fC+5ESFeg3HqSsfu78XLWe4/DG1t +f8TKvcmqa68WsQzXsauY2xizN8p5tLx0heU7i5QQplWIN5LZc89K1ItWbYj+zkqy +b6sy4hY+wM8y5BPolMVCCuRiiZzAqiWxR8ZkX6vfczIBhKedTu+o0cJw1wBcv/d9 +VeUYzbZleiw3zZgig+hO7dVEElrH634i82sF/dUM1/0fu+oiojHmStpNfgXJM7tV +AE0+yocrlF+Mww/XvMlqKZ4Jzh4uozQakVVR0Le+fNkw10WzGroWEtS9Py46T+4U +/E3OZdYEbULgiVnJDkBk +=SEYd +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Apple-Mail=_7D23AA7C-B4C7-477B-AF76-01C7FAF66B10-- + |