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| author | Ben Thompson <thompson.benedictjames@gmail.com> | 2017-05-03 21:43:16 +0000 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2017-05-03 21:43:29 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Full node "tip" function
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However perhaps I am +underestimating the generosity of node operators but I feel that adding a +cost to the blockchain (assuming that all users add a tip requirement) +would lead to centralisation. + +On Wed, 3 May 2017, 22:21 Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev, < +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: + +> IDEA: +> +> - Full nodes advertise a bitcoin address. Users that need to download +> the block chain from that node can be encouraged to send a tip to the pee= +rs +> that served them (by % served). Recommended tip of 10mbit should be fin= +e. +> +> - A full nodes can *require* a tip to download the blockchain. If they +> do, users that don't specify a tip cannot use them. +> +> CONS: +> +> For some people, this may represent a barrier to hosting their own full +> node. After all, if you have to pay $15 just to get a copy of the +> blockchain, that just adds to the already expensive prospect of hosting a +> full node. +> +> PROS: +> +> As long as you manage to stay online, you should get your money back and +> more. This is the an incentive for quality, long term hosting. +> +> In the long term, this should cause stable nodes to stick around longer. +> It also discourages "installation spam" attacks on the network. +> +> Fees for other node operations can be considered if this is successful. +> +> +> _______________________________________________ +> bitcoin-dev mailing list +> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org +> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev +> + +--001a11490172e45dca054ea58b59 +Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<div dir=3D"ltr">I feel like this would be pointless as the vast majority o= +f users would likely download the blockchain from a node that was not enfor= +cing a tip requirement as it would seem like unnecessary cost as in protoco= +l=E2=80=8Bs such as BitTorrent there is no such tips in sharing files and t= +he blockchain distribution is in eccense the same thing. However perhaps I = +am underestimating the generosity of node operators but I feel that adding = +a cost to the blockchain (assuming that all users add a tip requirement) wo= +uld lead to centralisation.</div><span> +</span><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, 3 May 2017, = +22:21 Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev, <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@list= +s.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.= +org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= +in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"= +><div><div><div>IDEA:<br><br></div>- Full nodes advertise a bitcoin address= +.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Users that need to download the block chain from that node ca= +n be encouraged to send a tip to the peers that served them (by % served).= +=C2=A0=C2=A0 Recommended tip of 10mbit should be fine.<br><br></div>- A ful= +l nodes can *require* a tip to download the blockchain.=C2=A0 If they do, u= +sers that don't specify a tip cannot use them.<br><br></div><div>CONS:<= +br><br>For some people, this may represent a barrier to hosting their own f= +ull node.=C2=A0=C2=A0 After all, if you have to pay $15 just to get a copy = +of the blockchain, that just adds to the already expensive prospect of host= +ing a full node.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>PROS: <br></div><div><br>As= + long as you manage to stay online, you should get your money back and more= +.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is the an incentive for quality, long term hosting.<br><= +br></div><div>In the long term, this should cause stable nodes to stick aro= +und longer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It also discourages "installation spam" a= +ttacks on the network.<br><br></div><div>Fees for other node operations can= + be considered if this is successful.<br></div><div><br><br></div></div> +_______________________________________________<br> +bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> +<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= +bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> +<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = +rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= +man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> +</blockquote></div> + +--001a11490172e45dca054ea58b59-- + |