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| author | Jim <jim618@fastmail.co.uk> | 2013-06-27 20:50:00 +0100 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2013-06-27 19:50:07 +0000 |
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Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
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+and ++ it it confirmed/ buried in a block ? + +when those words probably don't mean much to +the intended audience. + +The transaction status icons I *think* do it +(explained here: +https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_transactions.html). + +It basically boils down to: +1) triangle or square : bad. +2) filling circle : good +3) tick mark : great. + + +On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 08:40 PM, Jim wrote: +> RE: 141.101.113.245 +> +> http://whois.domaintools.com/141.101.113.245 +> gives it as CloudFlare - I suspect it is protecting +> Mt Gox when we make our get for currency ticker info. +> +> +> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 08:18 PM, Jim wrote: +> > A few replies, in order of point raised: +> > +> > Jeff: +> > Arguments against multibit default: +> > * Less testing, field experience on desktop +> > +> > Yes this is true - downloads of multibit have typically been around +> > 1/7th to 1/5th of bitcoin-QT downloads. It helps of course that +> > the bitcoinj networking/ object model is also used by Andreas +> > as you note. +> > +> > +> > Greg: +> > I think Mike has squashed the deadlocking problems with reentrant +> > locks (primarily in the Wallet). I haven't seen one in at least a month. +> > +> > We discussed proxy support on the bitcoinj mailing list a while ago +> > and at the time the stumbling block was the Java library used for +> > the networking (Netty) did not support it. Mike or Miron would +> > know better than I if this is still the case. +> > +> > Change address behaviour will improve significantly when HD +> > wallet support goes into multibit/ bitcoinj (I am hoping to get my +> > bit done over the summer). Matija Mazi has been working on a +> > Java impl of HD wallets so it is coming down the pipe but +> > there is a lot to do yet. +> > +> > Connections out from MultiBit are: +> > + 4 bitcoind nodes on port 8333 +> > + multibit.org (188.138.113.201) for help, current version info +> > (and probably more in future) +> > + the currency ticker will make HTTP gets to the source of +> > whichever exchange(s) you have set up e.g MtGox, CampBX. +> > This calls should disappear if you switch the currency conversion +> > and ticker off. +> > +> > I think that is all the connections out I make. +> > +> > Mainly due to the exchanges abruptly changing their APIs and +> > breaking things we are planning to put in intermediate +> > "Exchange Data Provider" servers. Tim Molter is working on this +> > in his XChange project. That will enable us to patch the server +> > when things change and the multibits in the field won't be +> > affected. There will probably be a couple of these initially +> > for redundancy. +> > +> > Alex: Yes I think most users migrate to blockchain.info or, +> > more recently coinbase.com. They are both good wallets +> > but I'd like to keep Bitcoin as P2P as possible. +> > +> > Luke-Jr +> > I think you are right here on the number of full nodes versus +> > SPV nodes. +> > I don't think we even know yet what are the working ratios of +> > full nodes to SPV nodes. I haven't seen anybody do any +> > analysis on this. +> > +> > I doubt multibit will ever participate in the Bitcoin network +> > other than as an SPV client. All the optimisation is to reduce +> > data traffic - it is effectively a mobile wallet that happens to +> > live on a desktop. It is not really intended to be more than +> > "a wallet for regular people to store and spend their bitcoin". +> > +> > In English the nomenclature for direction of the transactions +> > is: "Sent to" and "Received with". To be honest I +> > haven't transliterated the localisation files to check other +> > language packs but the localisers are pretty good in my +> > experience. +> > +> > +> > +> > +> > +> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, at 07:41 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: +> > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote: +> > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:30:21 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: +> > > >> * Very real possibility of an overall net reduction of full nodes on P2P +> > > >> network +> > > > Even a reduction of *nodes at all*, as I've never seen a listening bitcoinj or +> > > > MultiBit node. :/ +> > > > Jim, will MultiBit be adding p2p listening support? +> > > +> > > Without validation listening isn't currently very useful. :( Maybe it +> > > could be somewhat more with some protocol additions. +> > > +> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > > +> > > Build for Windows Store. +> > > +> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > > _______________________________________________ +> > > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> > +> > +> > -- +> > https://multibit.org Money, reinvented +> > +> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> > +> > Build for Windows Store. +> > +> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> > _______________________________________________ +> > Bitcoin-development mailing list +> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development +> +> +> -- +> https://multibit.org Money, reinvented +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: +> +> Build for Windows Store. +> +> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev +> _______________________________________________ +> Bitcoin-development mailing list +> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net +> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development + + +-- +https://multibit.org Money, reinvented + + |