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| author | Matt Corallo <lf-lists@mattcorallo.com> | 2022-09-16 12:46:53 -0400 |
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| committer | bitcoindev <bitcoindev@gnusha.org> | 2022-09-16 17:06:54 +0000 |
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-inquistion: evaluating soft forks on signet
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C'mon man, *everyone* +> expects a Bitcoin Inquisition." +> +> As we've seen from the attempt at a CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY activation earlier +> in the year [0], the question of "how to successfully get soft fork +> ideas from concept to deployment" doesn't really have a good answer today. + +I strongly disagree with this. Going back many, many years we've had many discussions about fork +process, and the parts people (historically) agreed with tend to be: + +(1) come up with an idea +(2) socialize the idea in the technical community, see if anyone comes up with any major issues or +can suggest better ideas which solve the same use-cases in cleaner ways +(3) propose the concrete idea with a more well-defined strawman, socialize that, get some kind of +rough consensus in the loosely-defined, subjective, "technical community" (ie just ask people and +adapt to feedback until you have found some kind of average of the opinions of people you, the +fork-champion, think are reasonably well-informed!). +(4) okay, admittedly beyond this is a bit less defined, but we can deal with it when we get there. + +Turns out, the issue today is a lack of champions following steps 1-3, we can debate what the +correct answer is to step (4) once we actually have people who want to be champions who are willing +to (humbly) push an idea forward towards rough agreement of the world of technical bitcoiners +(without which I highly doubt you'd ever see broader-community consensus). + +Matt + |