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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 23:06:21 +1000
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
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Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the compani=
es that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they can't mine =
it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation=2C but don't dis=
 incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're going to hurt th=
em=2C esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power=2C why would you s=
ay too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of adopters wal=
lets? Same thing.
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From: Warren Togami Jr.<mailto:wtogami@gmail.com>
Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements

Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on forever
regardless of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "right" t=
o
mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China can't get the
trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall *TO THE
MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too bad=
=2C
we'll have to carry on without them.


On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 12:13 AM=2C Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regardles=
s
> of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "right" to mine if
> they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial amounts =
of
> bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted th=
en
> OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them.
>
> But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node
> on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so.
>
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&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net<=
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inherent &quot=3Bright&quot=3B to mine if they can't do the job - if miners=
 in China can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth
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o bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them.</div>
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<div class=3D"x_gmail_extra">But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. =
They can always run a node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware t=
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