Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D79C0001 for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7117403AB for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:05:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=protonmail.com Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ml3mz0MAO66O for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:05:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA8D24033F for ; Tue, 18 May 2021 08:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 08:04:56 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1621325101; bh=US7sL44TqjcozFbN+t7zwOQJMrAO64j6cRn22+9IImc=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ql8yCBriyPxKHGORsH+XBYJ1OtAEu4p8AoTY3ONkBlNA2FvA/4e3NHoR0tWpmUcD0 z5EJH7Hu6SG8vleI2r/2/T4B8oCo4AOtQMsezeqvV+bpzB4RbHi0bJXdHIWWPsNsQ4 uvTC6iVvb/Pj2DdOPEC/9DcODUFlL62oa1Q/UW6c= To: Michael Fuhrmann , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion From: ZmnSCPxj Reply-To: ZmnSCPxj Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e048030-36c6-0ae8-7209-516bd797d29c@web.de> References: <202105170258.13233.luke@dashjr.org> <1e048030-36c6-0ae8-7209-516bd797d29c@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 08:05:06 -0000 Good morning Michael, > Am 17.05.2021 um 04:58 schrieb Luke Dashjr: > > > It increases security, and is unavoidable anyway. > > You can't. > > There must be a way. dRNG + universal clock + cryptographical magic?! Proof-of-work **is** the cryptographic magic that creates a universal clock= . In physics, the Arrow of Time is defined as the direction in which entropy = increases. Suppose you were shown a video of a particle in a low-gravity environment h= itting a wall and bouncing away. This video can be played forwards or backwards, and you would not be able t= o determine whether it is played forwards or backwards. In short, in many physical interactions, there is ***no*** notion of a dire= ction in time, i.e. no past or future. Nearly every physical interaction, at the small scale, is reversible, thus = there is no (apparent) inherent direction of time. However, suppose you were instead shown a video where a group of ceramic sh= ards on a floor comes together to form a vase, which then rises off the flo= or and then floats onto a table. Obviously, this is a video played backwards. A group of shards on the floor is a higher-entropy state than a vase on a t= able, thus it is obvious what the Arrow of Time here *actually* is. Or suppose you were shown this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzeP= A3uIbB5I Obviously, this is a video played backwards (except for the introduction, o= f course --- pay attention how there is a scene cut from the introduction t= o the main part of the video). A Rubik cube that is in a disordered state is a higher-entropy state than a= Rubik cube that is in an ordered state where each side has a specific sing= le color, thus it is obvious that the Mythbusters did not actually do any w= ork and just ran a time-reversed video of them disordering a newly-opened R= ubik cube. All of our clocks are ultimately derived from the *measurable* increase of = entropy: * The current definition of 1 second is measured in terms of the decay of [= Caesium atoms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_caesium#Caesium-13= 3). This decay represents the reduction of energy of the atoms and thus an in= crease in universal entropy. * Wind-up clockwork watches are powered by the controlled release of the en= ergy stored in a spring, a consumption of stored energy and thus an increas= e in universal entropy. * Wind-up clockwork watches are powered by the controlled release of the en= ergy stored in a spring, a consumption of stored energy and thus an increas= e in universal entropy. Now, a low-entropy state is simply one where energy is available for consum= ption. And as we know, proof-of-work requires energy consumption. Thus, the existence of a proof-of-work is a proof that time has passed. If time did not pass, then it would not have been possible to create the pr= oof-of-work, because it would not be possible to consume energy (i.e. incre= ase universal entropy) and thus create an Arrow of Time. From this proof-of-time-passing, we can then build a universal clock, one t= hat is deeply tied to the physical world, due to the energy consumption. It is by this method that Bitcoin is anchored to reality. There is already a universal clock available using cryptographic magic. It is called proof-of-work. Regards, ZmnSCPxj