Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YzDCi-0008BB-LI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.170; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f170.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com ([209.85.212.170]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YzDCg-0002o3-Nb for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 +0000 Received: by wizo1 with SMTP id o1so84860437wiz.1 for ; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.86.73 with SMTP id n9mr15220883wiz.78.1433117016680; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.156.226 with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554BE0E1.5030001@bluematt.me> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:03:36 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: Ricardo Filipe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (pindar.wong[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YzDCg-0002o3-Nb Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 -0000 --f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Filipe wrote: > 2015-06-01 0:40 GMT+01:00 Pindar Wong : > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe < > ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as it > >> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same > >> between the miners. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Is that an assumption? > no, let me rephrase: The disadvantage alex refers to only exists if > miners do not have the same network speed. > > > > >> If there is a difference in network speed, the > >> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure. > > > > > > Perhaps it's best not to assume that investing in Internet network > > infrastructure's a free or open market everywhere. > Just like easy ASIC access, low price electricity, etc are not a free > and open market. > -- point well made and taken. p. > > > > > p. > > > >> > >> > >> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi : > >> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slight) > >> >> disadvantage. > >> >> So? > >> > > >> > > >> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus bigger > >> > blocks > >> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to block size.) > >> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have a > >> > disadvantage. > >> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist. > >> > > >> > Did you just lie to Chun? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bitcoin-development mailing list > >> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bitcoin-development mailing list > >> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > > > --f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Filipe <ricardojdfilip= e@gmail.com> wrote:
2015-06-01 0:40 GMT+01:00 Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe <ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as i= t
>> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same<= br> >> between the miners.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is that an assumption?
no, let me rephrase: The disadvantage alex refers to only exists if<= br> miners do not have the same network speed.

>
>> If there is a difference in network speed, the
>> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure. >
>
> Perhaps it's best not to=C2=A0 assume that investing in Internet n= etwork
> infrastructure's a free or open market everywhere.
Just like easy ASIC access, low price electricity, etc are not a fre= e
and open market.

-- point well made and= taken.=C2=A0

p.
=C2=A0

>
> p.
>
>>
>>
>> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi <alex.mizrahi@gmail.com>:
>> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slig= ht)
>> >> disadvantage.
>> >> So?
>> >
>> >
>> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus b= igger
>> > blocks
>> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to bloc= k size.)
>> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have = a
>> > disadvantage.
>> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist.
>> >
>> > Did you just lie to Chun?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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