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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:52:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 20 Rejected, process for BIP 21N
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> excuse me if it was already discussed, but maybe using satoshis instead o=
f decimal bitcoin would be better ?> choice? We all know about pains with p=
roper handling decimal numbers across of all implementations - and > it's n=
ot only about json-rpc.=0A=0A=0AYeah well it's up to the people who are mak=
ing this stuff to decide :)=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir T=
aaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0ABIP 20 really has no support among imp=
lementations such as Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoin-JS. As the m=
ost active and visible user facing GUI projects (all with some form of URI =
Scheme), their opinion carries the most weight. To a lesser degree Bitcoin-=
Qt has the large majority of users too (although that's a line of reasoning=
 I'd discourage).=0A>=0A>Normally we should probably Reject BIP 21 and re-s=
ubmit a new standard (for history's sake), but as a) BIP 21 is largely a co=
py paste of BIP 20 sans some sections b) it is still a draft, probably the =
best thing here is if you all agree on something to run it by BlueMatt and =
then we'll make it the new BIP 21.=0A>=0A>I can see a consensus forming on =
most parts. Just the send private key is contentious, and there's the topic=
 of adding a time to expire field for merchants (this is a very good idea I=
MO).=0A>=0A>Also BIP 20 is problematic because it is incompatible with abou=
t every standard on the web. All the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal =
numbers alone. I see no reason for breaking with tradition. Note that every=
time I have to write Color or Vectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, =
I die a little inside. But it's convention and American English =3D Interna=
tional English. Also it would be cool if all code used a *real* internation=
al language (like Esperanto) but the world ain't perfect! We live in a deci=
mal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world!=0A>=0A>(=
no offense to=A0decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worship=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>&gt; excuse me i=
f it was already discussed, but maybe using satoshis instead of decimal bit=
coin would be better ?&gt; choice? We all know about pains with proper hand=
ling decimal numbers across of all implementations - and &gt; it's not only=
 about json-rpc.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yeah well it's up to the peop=
le who are making this stuff to decide :)</div><div style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, ser=
if; "><div id=3D"yiv2008882289"><div><br><div class=3D"yiv2008882289gmail_q=
uote">On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir Taaki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:zgenjix@yahoo.com">zgenjix@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
=0A=0A<blockquote class=3D"yiv2008882289gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">BIP 20 really has no sup=
port among implementations such as Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoi=
n-JS. As the most active and visible user facing GUI projects (all with som=
e form of URI Scheme), their opinion carries the most weight. To a lesser d=
egree Bitcoin-Qt has the large majority of users too (although that's a lin=
e of reasoning I'd discourage).<br>=0A=0A=0A<br>=0ANormally we should proba=
bly Reject BIP 21 and re-submit a new standard (for history's sake), but as=
 a) BIP 21 is largely a copy paste of BIP 20 sans some sections b) it is st=
ill a draft, probably the best thing here is if you all agree on something =
to run it by BlueMatt and then we'll make it the new BIP 21.<br>=0A=0A=0A<b=
r>=0AI can see a consensus forming on most parts. Just the send private key=
 is contentious, and there's the topic of adding a time to expire field for=
 merchants (this is a very good idea IMO).<br>=0A<br>=0AAlso BIP 20 is prob=
lematic because it is incompatible with about every standard on the web. Al=
l the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal numbers alone. I see no reason =
for breaking with tradition. Note that everytime I have to write Color or V=
ectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, I die a little inside. But it's=
 convention and American English =3D International English. Also it would b=
e cool if all code used a *real* international language (like Esperanto) bu=
t the world ain't perfect! We live in a decimal-counting English-speaking W=
indows-using God-worshipping world!<br>=0A=0A=0A<br>=0A(no offense to&nbsp;=
decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world- I do=
 half those things too :)<br>=0A<br>=0A------------------------------------=
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