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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I have written a new BIP describing a BIP32 derivation path that supports a= single or multi-signature and multi-coin wallet from a single master seed.= It combines BIP44 and BIP45 and adds in a self-describing structure in th= e derivation path for multiple multi-sig combinations within the single wal= let along with an extended public key export file format for public key dis= tribution between parties. I can particularly see this being useful for mu= ltiple Lightning Network 2of2 accounts for different payment channels. The BIP can be found here: https://github.com/gluexchange/bip/blob/master/b= ip-0046.mediawiki I appreciate that this might be re-hashing old ground as BIP44 in particula= r has been widely adopted, however, BIP44 does leave itself open to a lot o= f interpretation from a wallet portability perspective such as: - What address format is expected when discovering balances and creating tr= ansactions? - Does the master seed represent a single-sig or multi-sig wallet? - If multi-sig, how many cosigners and what are their extended public keys = (so that the wallet can generate the correctly formatted redeem script with= public keys in the right order)? - If multi-sig, how do you prevent collisions on the same address index (in= a wallet that is occasionally connected)? BIP45 solves the collision that occurs when the individual parties in a mul= ti-sig group each give out a new address from a wallet, where the wallet ha= sn't been able to sync to mark the address as 'used' (this could happen if = they gave out addresses independently at the same time). It uses a cosigne= r index in the derivation path so that each party has their own path to the= ir addresses. However, BIP45 drops the multi-coin support that BIP44 has. This is a useful discussion on the problems of a collision and the merits o= f separating cosigners in the derivation path: https://www.mail-archive.com= /bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg05188.html For the purposes of the BIP text (and the example paths used to generate ke= ys) I've temporarily assigned it the number 46. It looks like that is avai= lable and seemed somewhat appropriate given that it builds on the good work= of BIP44 and BIP45. Paul Brown --_000_HE1PR09MB026619CDFFBA6D995600EF18988F0HE1PR09MB0266eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:#954F72; text-decoration:underline;} p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph {mso-style-priority:34; margin-top:0cm; margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have written a new BIP describing a BIP32 derivati= on path that supports a single or multi-signature and multi-coin wallet fro= m a single master seed. It combines BIP44 and BIP45 and adds in a sel= f-describing structure in the derivation path for multiple multi-sig combinations within the single wallet along wi= th an extended public key export file format for public key distribution be= tween parties. I can particularly see this being useful for multiple = Lightning Network 2of2 accounts for different payment channels.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The BIP can be found here: <a href=3D"https://github= .com/gluexchange/bip/blob/master/bip-0046.mediawiki"> https://github.com/gluexchange/bip/blob/master/bip-0046.mediawiki</a><o:p><= /o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I appreciate that this might be re-hashing old groun= d as BIP44 in particular has been widely adopted, however, BIP44 does leave= itself open to a lot of interpretation from a wallet portability perspecti= ve such as:<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">- What address format is expected when discovering b= alances and creating transactions?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Does the master seed represent a single-sig or mul= ti-sig wallet?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">- If multi-sig, how many cosigners and what are thei= r extended public keys (so that the wallet can generate the correctly forma= tted redeem script with public keys in the right order)?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">- If multi-sig, how do you prevent collisions on the= same address index (in a wallet that is occasionally connected)?<o:p></o:p= ></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">BIP45 solves the collision that occurs when the indi= vidual parties in a multi-sig group each give out a new address from a wall= et, where the wallet hasn’t been able to sync to mark the address as = ‘used’ (this could happen if they gave out addresses independently at the same time). It uses a cosigner index = in the derivation path so that each party has their own path to their addre= sses. However, BIP45 drops the multi-coin support that BIP44 has.<o:p= ></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is a useful discussion on the problems of a col= lision and the merits of separating cosigners in the derivation path: <a href=3D"https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourcefor= ge.net/msg05188.html"> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg0= 5188.html</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the purposes of the BIP text (and the example pa= ths used to generate keys) I’ve temporarily assigned it the number 46= . It looks like that is available and seemed somewhat appropriate giv= en that it builds on the good work of BIP44 and BIP45.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Paul Brown<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_HE1PR09MB026619CDFFBA6D995600EF18988F0HE1PR09MB0266eurp_--